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Bicycling Magazine and Carbon Knocks Offs

Old 10-16-15, 05:11 PM
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Bicycling Magazine and Carbon Knocks Offs

I haven't seem much comment on the recent Bicycling article on carbon frames. Do many here feel they were must spouting the company line of all of their advertisers.

I tend to be a bit gullible at times, but to me the article seemed very believable saying that the knock offs were all unsafe junk that should be avoided.

But I still note posters here talking about their no-name Chinese frames, and being satisfied with them.

Is there a consensus here?
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Old 10-16-15, 05:13 PM
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Consensus in here.
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Chinese c/f knockoffs do not advertise in Bicycling.
'nuf said!
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all this carbon talk is boron
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People still read Bicycling?
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They're actually made of unpopped popcorn kernels. That's why some less than discerning observers accuse chinese bikes of asploding. Notice they never asplode at night?
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People still read Bicycling?
It's not just bicycling. There are multiple publications with scare-mongering articles.

Advertising revenue and the loss of test bikes to test are the primary culprits.

Bike Magazine was forced to recant an entire youtube video review on a trek mountain bike after trek complained.
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They're actually made of unpopped popcorn kernels. That's why some less than discerning observers accuse chinese bikes of asploding. Notice they never asplode at night?

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People still read Bicycling?
It's humor.
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I like Bicycling Magazine.

You just learn to take their advertising based leanings with a grain of salt. Based on the issues I've looked at, Bicycling Mag is making a huge push to promote discs.

I can't blame them, really, they're the biggest cycling publication, and they didn't get to this point by offending advertisers.
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It's humor.
Oh. I must be humorless.
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Originally Posted by bassogap View Post
I haven't seem much comment on the recent Bicycling article on carbon frames. Do many here feel they were must spouting the company line of all of their advertisers.
I posted a magazine article on this subject (maybe the one you're talking about), and naturally a certain segment of members brushed it off as an advertising thing. But there's also this article, and it's kind of hard to refute the information in it with opposing facts:

Not all frames are created equal. A look deep inside the carbon in counterfeit bikes - VeloNews.com
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There's a big difference between cheap counterfeit copies and legitimate Chinese builders or I assume there is.

I mean, calling all Chinese frames pieces of junk seems like painting with a broad brush.
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Originally Posted by bassogap View Post
I haven't seem much comment on the recent Bicycling article on carbon frames. Do many here feel they were must spouting the company line of all of their advertisers.

I tend to be a bit gullible at times, but to me the article seemed very believable saying that the knock offs were all unsafe junk that should be avoided.

But I still note posters here talking about their no-name Chinese frames, and being satisfied with them.

Is there a consensus here?
You must have missed the several other threads about that and similar articles. I am satisfied and there are thousands of other people who are satisfied with their chinese carbon frames
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Facts don't matter.

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Better bike info on Bike Forums than "Bicycling" magazine. By far.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
I posted a magazine article on this subject (maybe the one you're talking about), and naturally a certain segment of members brushed it off as an advertising thing. But there's also this article, and it's kind of hard to refute the information in it with opposing facts:

Not all frames are created equal. A look deep inside the carbon in counterfeit bikes - VeloNews.com
These are for profit magazines (whether they are actually profitable or not is another matter), and they rely on advertising revenue in order to stay in business.

Aside from that, they rely on these brands to supply them with bicycles, components, clothing and accessories to test.

Want to conduct an independent study on the newest, nicest enduro bikes? Say, a half dozen of them? Not unless you have an extra $72,000 lying around. Otherwise, you just might "appreciate" a few loaners. Perhaps you would show your appreciation either by giving a positive review or perhaps by denigrating the chinese competitors or both?

It's just the reality of business, it's nothing personal.
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
Better bike info on Bike Forums than "Bicycling" magazine. By far.
There's a lot of fun threads on here, but also a lot of bicycle and component worship going on which is just as, or even sillier than the stuff you read in the bicycling press.

That's why I liked rpen's recent review of his workswell bike. A very balanced assessment. As in, a nice fun bike which accelerates well, but isn't all that comfortable.

Then again, you have the fanboys who write things like: "I had to buy a $20K bike because my hero won the tour with it." But he rides 16 mph in the middle of a draft pack.
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There's a lot of fun threads on here, but also a lot of bicycle and component worship going on which is just as, or even sillier than the stuff you read in the bicycling press.

That's why I liked rpen's recent review of his workswell bike. A very balanced assessment. As in, a nice fun bike which accelerates well, but isn't all that comfortable.

Then again, you have the fanboys who write things like: "I had to buy a $20K bike because my hero won the tour with it." But he rides 16 mph in the middle of a draft pack.
Draft pack?
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Draft pack?
just let him go. He's on a roll.
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just let him go. He's on a roll.


I hope we can get back on the subject of Lebron James.




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I hope we can get back on the subject of Lebron James.
What is Sam's agenda? He's all over the place.
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr View Post
There's a big difference between cheap counterfeit copies and legitimate Chinese builders or I assume there is.

I mean, calling all Chinese frames pieces of junk seems like painting with a broad brush.
This is very true and if you don't buy cheap chinese copies you will put a lot of 10 year old's out of work.
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
What is Sam's agenda? He's all over the place.
Can't question a person who knows how to centre a stem -- doing so after trying, as a public service, to pay a bicycle mechanic to do it.

That alone suggests a depth of both technical cycling knowledge and general intellectual acuity none of us could ever aspire to.
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Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht View Post
What is Sam's agenda? He's all over the place.

Proving that non-athletes like professional cyclists would only be going 1 mph slower on a bike that's 12 pounds heavier while accusing everyone of making ad hominem attacks without any measurable data or EVIDENCE.
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