I pepper sprayed a dog today on my ride
11-09-15, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RPK79
If you are on a group ride you can always slip some beef jerky in another rider's jersey. Preferably the slowest rider.
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11-09-15, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
I don't know what pepper spray some people are looking at but it need not be bigger than a cigarette lighter, with a clip so that it can be clipped to the jersey pocket, that's all.
It should be a stream, not a fogger, and is sprayed down at dogs, not in front of your face or into the wind. Isn't this common sense?
Maybe spray isn't needed in the city or suburbia but it is a necessity here in the Georgia countryside. We have had a pack of six come at us while on a group ride out in the middle of nowhere. A friend of mine had an aggressive dog get tangled in his bike - the dog died and the owners sued him. There is a guy on one of our routes who sics his dogs after us when we go by on a steep climb - one comes out in front and makes a lot of noise and the other sneaks up quietly behind us.
These aren't fru-fru dogs or suburban pets. They are mongrels owned by people who have less brains than the dogs they own. We are doing the dogs and their owners a favor by spraying them.
It should be a stream, not a fogger, and is sprayed down at dogs, not in front of your face or into the wind. Isn't this common sense?
Maybe spray isn't needed in the city or suburbia but it is a necessity here in the Georgia countryside. We have had a pack of six come at us while on a group ride out in the middle of nowhere. A friend of mine had an aggressive dog get tangled in his bike - the dog died and the owners sued him. There is a guy on one of our routes who sics his dogs after us when we go by on a steep climb - one comes out in front and makes a lot of noise and the other sneaks up quietly behind us.
These aren't fru-fru dogs or suburban pets. They are mongrels owned by people who have less brains than the dogs they own. We are doing the dogs and their owners a favor by spraying them.
The advantages are:
1) It's easy to pull from that position on the bike for quick use.
2) You don't have to wait for the dog to get within 5-10 feet of you to spray it; these cans can shoot up to 25-30' away. Although in the one time I used it I let the dog get closer than 10' (for added effect/pyrotechnics...).
3) It shoots as a spray and becomes a cloud... since you are spraying off to the side, either you hit the dog straight or it becomes an orange cloud that the dog won't be able to pass through without still feeling the effects of the spray. Make sure you continue moving forward, especially if there is a slight tail wind or you are on the trailing side of a crosswind...
4) If you come up a path or neighborhood and you see people walking their dog(s) without a leash, take the bottle and clearly show it to them as you approach... (make sure the safety's on)... if they are the dog owners and they have at least half a brain they'll call their dog(s) immediately. If they don't, let them know that if the dog approaches you are going to spray it.
5) Even when the can is empty it's still a big enough object for you to THROW at the dog... hopefully you have good aim.
6) This spray is extremely strong... Park Rangers out west swear by it. I'd wager if you spray a problem dog with this stuff that will be the last time it'll want to chase after anyone.
I still have two cans stored. Right around where I now live and on my usual routes I haven't had a problem, but if I ever got jumped by a dog you bet the next time I go out the same route I'm taking one of these with me, "fred-iness" be darned.
11-09-15, 06:19 PM
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What happens when a dog attacks you?
So using below as an example. What is the protocol?
Do you exchange information. Does the guy buy you a beer and say good luck. Do you get to bite the dog back?
Do you exchange information. Does the guy buy you a beer and say good luck. Do you get to bite the dog back?
Originally Posted by MKahrl
I was attacked by a dog this past Thursday for the first time in over 50 years of riding.
Lessons learned:
1. I could not tell the dog's intent. This one didn't bark first. He looked like a lovable Labrador Retriever like hundreds of others I've encountered.
2. Things happen fast. Reaching down for a water bottle while the dog was chomping my leg did not seem viable.
3. Sprinting away didn't work. I did not have time to get up to speed before he was attached. A lighter wheelset probably would not have helped.
4. Yelling at the dog by both myself and the owner had no affect.
5. Large dogs have no problem reaching your thigh.
6. In this case, getting off the bike and putting it between us did work. The dog was content to stand there and bark at me.
7. I wasn't necessarily thinking clearly after the encounter. Once I got the bleeding stopped I continued riding the five miles back to my car so I could drive myself to go get stitched up. A lot of things could have gone wrong with that course of action.
I love dogs and dogs love me but I realize now that I have been very naïve. I may not need it for another fifty years but I'll now carry pepper spray in a handlebar bag and some first aid gear.
Lessons learned:
1. I could not tell the dog's intent. This one didn't bark first. He looked like a lovable Labrador Retriever like hundreds of others I've encountered.
2. Things happen fast. Reaching down for a water bottle while the dog was chomping my leg did not seem viable.
3. Sprinting away didn't work. I did not have time to get up to speed before he was attached. A lighter wheelset probably would not have helped.
4. Yelling at the dog by both myself and the owner had no affect.
5. Large dogs have no problem reaching your thigh.
6. In this case, getting off the bike and putting it between us did work. The dog was content to stand there and bark at me.
7. I wasn't necessarily thinking clearly after the encounter. Once I got the bleeding stopped I continued riding the five miles back to my car so I could drive myself to go get stitched up. A lot of things could have gone wrong with that course of action.
I love dogs and dogs love me but I realize now that I have been very naïve. I may not need it for another fifty years but I'll now carry pepper spray in a handlebar bag and some first aid gear.
11-09-15, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by series1811
Spraying a dog with pepper spray is far more humane that kicking it. It is fairly easy to break a dog's ribs or injure it from a solid kick. The effects of pepper spray are very temporary. I have been hit by it a few times in training. Yes, it is unpleasant, but the effects wear off within half an hour. As a bonus, you will likely never have to spray that dog again. They are quick learners, and when they see you coming, they will tuck their tail and run.
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Originally Posted by GreenAnvil
If I was riding through dogs-from-Hades country, this is what I would use (see photo); Counter Assault Bear Spray. I'd happily sacrifice my seat post water bottle cage and place one of these puppies in there...
The advantages are:
1) It's easy to pull from that position on the bike for quick use.
2) You don't have to wait for the dog to get within 5-10 feet of you to spray it; these cans can shoot up to 25-30' away. Although in the one time I used it I let the dog get closer than 10' (for added effect/pyrotechnics...).
3) It shoots as a spray and becomes a cloud... since you are spraying off to the side, either you hit the dog straight or it becomes an orange cloud that the dog won't be able to pass through without still feeling the effects of the spray. Make sure you continue moving forward, especially if there is a slight tail wind or you are on the trailing side of a crosswind...
4) If you come up a path or neighborhood and you see people walking their dog(s) without a leash, take the bottle and clearly show it to them as you approach... (make sure the safety's on)... if they are the dog owners and they have at least half a brain they'll call their dog(s) immediately. If they don't, let them know that if the dog approaches you are going to spray it.
5) Even when the can is empty it's still a big enough object for you to THROW at the dog... hopefully you have good aim.
6) This spray is extremely strong... Park Rangers out west swear by it. I'd wager if you spray a problem dog with this stuff that will be the last time it'll want to chase after anyone.
I still have two cans stored. Right around where I now live and on my usual routes I haven't had a problem, but if I ever got jumped by a dog you bet the next time I go out the same route I'm taking one of these with me, "fred-iness" be darned.
The advantages are:
1) It's easy to pull from that position on the bike for quick use.
2) You don't have to wait for the dog to get within 5-10 feet of you to spray it; these cans can shoot up to 25-30' away. Although in the one time I used it I let the dog get closer than 10' (for added effect/pyrotechnics...).
3) It shoots as a spray and becomes a cloud... since you are spraying off to the side, either you hit the dog straight or it becomes an orange cloud that the dog won't be able to pass through without still feeling the effects of the spray. Make sure you continue moving forward, especially if there is a slight tail wind or you are on the trailing side of a crosswind...
4) If you come up a path or neighborhood and you see people walking their dog(s) without a leash, take the bottle and clearly show it to them as you approach... (make sure the safety's on)... if they are the dog owners and they have at least half a brain they'll call their dog(s) immediately. If they don't, let them know that if the dog approaches you are going to spray it.
5) Even when the can is empty it's still a big enough object for you to THROW at the dog... hopefully you have good aim.
6) This spray is extremely strong... Park Rangers out west swear by it. I'd wager if you spray a problem dog with this stuff that will be the last time it'll want to chase after anyone.
I still have two cans stored. Right around where I now live and on my usual routes I haven't had a problem, but if I ever got jumped by a dog you bet the next time I go out the same route I'm taking one of these with me, "fred-iness" be darned.
11-09-15, 09:07 PM
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I work utility job and deal with dogs all day long in every area I go. most dogs don't bother me but those little chihuahuas are the most annoying and act like they own the road. at times I had to slow ride my bike along side my residential area side walks to avoid vehicle traffic and those small dogs are aggressive. blame on the the owners who can't control their dogs or even had proper dog training.
11-09-15, 09:26 PM
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Years ago I made the mistake of being friendly to a random dog. It thought I was it's new best friend and proceeded to follow me home. I really had to dial up some big time wattage to lose it.
Years ago (although not as many years ago with the first story) I was running at night (yes, I know, stupid huh?) and some dog started barking at me. I yelled loud enough so the people in the house could hear "Lock your damn dog up or next time I see it I'm hitting it with a baseball bat." I didn't see that dog again.
Years ago (although not as many years ago with the first story) I was running at night (yes, I know, stupid huh?) and some dog started barking at me. I yelled loud enough so the people in the house could hear "Lock your damn dog up or next time I see it I'm hitting it with a baseball bat." I didn't see that dog again.
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I think me trying to get pepper spray out of my pocket and aimed not at my face would take way longer than the time available in most impromptu dog sprints.
11-09-15, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenAnvil
If I was riding through dogs-from-Hades country, this is what I would use (see photo); Counter Assault Bear Spray. I'd happily sacrifice my seat post water bottle cage and place one of these puppies in there...
11-09-15, 10:37 PM
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I bring the bear spray when riding into the mountains where there are bears.
It fits easily into a jersey pocket and is the size and weight of a small water bottle. The top sticks out of the pocket, so it's very quickly drawn if needed.
My only concern is that in a crash the plastic top could crack, turning the can into a pepper spray missle!
It fits easily into a jersey pocket and is the size and weight of a small water bottle. The top sticks out of the pocket, so it's very quickly drawn if needed.
My only concern is that in a crash the plastic top could crack, turning the can into a pepper spray missle!
11-09-15, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MKahrl
I was attacked by a dog this past Thursday for the first time in over 50 years of riding.
Lessons learned:
1. I could not tell the dog's intent. This one didn't bark first. He looked like a lovable Labrador Retriever like hundreds of others I've encountered.
2. Things happen fast. Reaching down for a water bottle while the dog was chomping my leg did not seem viable.
3. Sprinting away didn't work. I did not have time to get up to speed before he was attached. A lighter wheelset probably would not have helped.
4. Yelling at the dog by both myself and the owner had no affect.
5. Large dogs have no problem reaching your thigh.
6. In this case, getting off the bike and putting it between us did work. The dog was content to stand there and bark at me.
7. I wasn't necessarily thinking clearly after the encounter. Once I got the bleeding stopped I continued riding the five miles back to my car so I could drive myself to go get stitched up. A lot of things could have gone wrong with that course of action.
I love dogs and dogs love me but I realize now that I have been very naïve. I may not need it for another fifty years but I'll now carry pepper spray in a handlebar bag and some first aid gear.
Lessons learned:
1. I could not tell the dog's intent. This one didn't bark first. He looked like a lovable Labrador Retriever like hundreds of others I've encountered.
2. Things happen fast. Reaching down for a water bottle while the dog was chomping my leg did not seem viable.
3. Sprinting away didn't work. I did not have time to get up to speed before he was attached. A lighter wheelset probably would not have helped.
4. Yelling at the dog by both myself and the owner had no affect.
5. Large dogs have no problem reaching your thigh.
6. In this case, getting off the bike and putting it between us did work. The dog was content to stand there and bark at me.
7. I wasn't necessarily thinking clearly after the encounter. Once I got the bleeding stopped I continued riding the five miles back to my car so I could drive myself to go get stitched up. A lot of things could have gone wrong with that course of action.
I love dogs and dogs love me but I realize now that I have been very naïve. I may not need it for another fifty years but I'll now carry pepper spray in a handlebar bag and some first aid gear.
Doesn't seem you would have had time to access the pepper spray either.
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11-10-15, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Wouldn't be that much extra weight to attach a trailer with a Rottweiler or wear a suit of armor....
That's why I don't have it on my road bike, although it is not heavier than a full water bottle. But if I knew I was riding through an area where dogs might be a problem (or to get even from a previous encounter, or a rough side of town) I wouldn't hesitate to take it. And it would take care of bulls and cows too.
11-10-15, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Aren't you contradicting yourself? No time to reach a water bottle or sprint, but your takeaway is packing pepper spray.
Doesn't seem you would have had time to access the pepper spray either.
Doesn't seem you would have had time to access the pepper spray either.
I hope to never use the spray.
11-10-15, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by KonaRider125
Carry pepper spray, I'm almost positive having it today saved me from a bite to the ankle.
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11-10-15, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MKahrl
Good point. Since the dog was already successfully biting my shin and thigh I didn't want to put a hand down in the same area as his teeth to grab a water bottle. The pepper spray I can carry in the handlebar bag. Both the water bottle and spray are more effective if used before the first bite but the decision has to be made within a few seconds of first spotting the dog.
11-10-15, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Inpd
So using below as an example. What is the protocol?
Do you exchange information. Does the guy buy you a beer and say good luck. Do you get to bite the dog back?
Do you exchange information. Does the guy buy you a beer and say good luck. Do you get to bite the dog back?
They check to see if the dog has rabies after the quarantine. Even if the rabies vaccination is current they still quarantine the dog. Dogs that are allowed to roam free in the country (as in this case) are more likely to be bitten by rabid wild animals. Ohio only has about 10 cases of pets getting rabies each year. Ohio hasn't had a human case of rabies since 1970 due to efforts by the health department.
11-10-15, 03:51 PM
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Pepper spray is essential here in Georgia.
Originally Posted by TimothyH
Pepper spray is essential here in Georgia.
11-10-15, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 700
Pepper spray...pffft!
11-10-15, 08:29 PM
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I have pepper sprayed six dogs and one man.
The man was a crazed road rager and attacked me. I could have hurt him, I know how, but chose rather to simply stop him and call the police (911). My apparent sin was that I yelled at him to stop as he was about to run into me while he was leaving a parking lot without stopping at the lot's stop sign. They came and took him away; it seems he had a bench warrant out for failing to appear in court regarding an assault charge against him as well as a parole violation. The pepper spray gave the best result all round.
All the dogs tried to either bite me or, in one case, my wife. Each encounter resulted in virtually instantaneous 'cessation of hostilities' and rapid disappearance of the dog. None of them were damaged. Subsequently, all of them would run away whenever they saw or heard me.
I always, always have a small can of pepper spray in my pocket or immediately available on my bikes. I can get it out and in use in about two seconds.
Around here, Southern California, it is legal to carry pepper spray and to use it when needed. However, use of pepper spray to commit a crime is itself a felony just like brandishing a knife or gun.
Even the weakest spray will stop a dog but crazed people may require the stronger 10% stuff. I recommend and use foam spray; it does not blow back and can be used into a moderate wind. You do have to aim better but I've had no trouble with that.
Buy it online and develop the attitude needed to use it. Do not let yourself be a victim. I cannot think of anything that works better to avoid injury when attacked.
Joe
The man was a crazed road rager and attacked me. I could have hurt him, I know how, but chose rather to simply stop him and call the police (911). My apparent sin was that I yelled at him to stop as he was about to run into me while he was leaving a parking lot without stopping at the lot's stop sign. They came and took him away; it seems he had a bench warrant out for failing to appear in court regarding an assault charge against him as well as a parole violation. The pepper spray gave the best result all round.
All the dogs tried to either bite me or, in one case, my wife. Each encounter resulted in virtually instantaneous 'cessation of hostilities' and rapid disappearance of the dog. None of them were damaged. Subsequently, all of them would run away whenever they saw or heard me.
I always, always have a small can of pepper spray in my pocket or immediately available on my bikes. I can get it out and in use in about two seconds.
Around here, Southern California, it is legal to carry pepper spray and to use it when needed. However, use of pepper spray to commit a crime is itself a felony just like brandishing a knife or gun.
Even the weakest spray will stop a dog but crazed people may require the stronger 10% stuff. I recommend and use foam spray; it does not blow back and can be used into a moderate wind. You do have to aim better but I've had no trouble with that.
Buy it online and develop the attitude needed to use it. Do not let yourself be a victim. I cannot think of anything that works better to avoid injury when attacked.
Joe
11-12-15, 09:22 AM
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Lot of dog experts throwing out a lot of made up statistics (most domestic dogs don't like...; this technique always works; most dogs will just...), plenty of tear jerkers who refuse to "harm" an animal that may be out to injure them, and enough Monday morning quarterbacks to rival deflategate. I'm surprised this didn't have an entire subthread on gun control like previous dog debates.
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I used to be a paper boy. Newsday Ace carrier...had a lot of houses, over 130..This thread is funny.
Just a note on "fumbling" about for gear. Anything that you may need to reach quickly needs to be habituated. Holster, clip, whatever...bag is useless, I'm not fond of jersey pockets for things like this...place it on you exactly the same way every single time, and get the movement down. Not rocket science.
Pepper spray doesn't hurt in the long run.
Just a note on "fumbling" about for gear. Anything that you may need to reach quickly needs to be habituated. Holster, clip, whatever...bag is useless, I'm not fond of jersey pockets for things like this...place it on you exactly the same way every single time, and get the movement down. Not rocket science.
Pepper spray doesn't hurt in the long run.
11-12-15, 12:32 PM
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UnfilteredDregs: ---- "fumbling" about for gear.
Exactly correct! Reaching for one's pepper spray must be a 'muscle memory' response; you need to train for it. It isn't paranoid to train for an emergency like being attacked by a dog. Especially when your response to an attack does no permanent harm to the dog (or, possibly, its owner).
As you said: "Pepper spray doesn't hurt in the long run."
I have witnessed hapless folk run from, dodge and try to talk to attacking dogs --- it is pathetic
(. If said folk had trained themselves to respond aggressively and with some knowledge of how dogs "work", they would not have looked like the fools they (temporarily at least) were.
Dogs are wonderful animals and 'we' have gotten along with them for tens of thousands of years; I love dogs and they, mostly, love me ;o). Still, some dumb dog (together with its dumb owner) isn't going to intimidate or get away with attacking my person without paying a price. Pepper spray is the very best way to accomplish this goal; the dumb dog learns an important lesson, doesn't get quarantined for a couple of weeks and its owner doesn't have to deal with his home owner's insurance, the police or --- me.
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Exactly correct! Reaching for one's pepper spray must be a 'muscle memory' response; you need to train for it. It isn't paranoid to train for an emergency like being attacked by a dog. Especially when your response to an attack does no permanent harm to the dog (or, possibly, its owner).
As you said: "Pepper spray doesn't hurt in the long run."
I have witnessed hapless folk run from, dodge and try to talk to attacking dogs --- it is pathetic
(. If said folk had trained themselves to respond aggressively and with some knowledge of how dogs "work", they would not have looked like the fools they (temporarily at least) were.Dogs are wonderful animals and 'we' have gotten along with them for tens of thousands of years; I love dogs and they, mostly, love me ;o). Still, some dumb dog (together with its dumb owner) isn't going to intimidate or get away with attacking my person without paying a price. Pepper spray is the very best way to accomplish this goal; the dumb dog learns an important lesson, doesn't get quarantined for a couple of weeks and its owner doesn't have to deal with his home owner's insurance, the police or --- me.
Joe
11-12-15, 01:22 PM
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