What Is A Fair Price For Dura Ace 10 spd?
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that's great you like it so much. Shimano inspires a lot of loyalty.
For 10s, like I said, I think DA7970 has better ergonomics/shift performance/efficency/brakes/design.
Overall, they advanced DA with a clear, innovative advancement in most every way.
7900 lever design was poor but the other components worked better than 7800.
The crankset design is up for debate. I think the 7800 looks better but I remember DA loyalists HATED it when it came out.
Of that era, 7800C was the prettiest imo.
I love the ergonomics and shifting of 7800 (except the exposed shift wires).
9000(1) is actually more of a successor to 7800 than 7900.
The lever ergonomics, the crankset design - it looks like a new generation 7800 rather than 7900.
I wasn't convinced about 11s or Di2 when they came out but they are really nice innovations- especially Di2.
I personally think the current gen DA really is the best but... you know, ymmv.
They are all really good groupsets, the DA family. 7900 levers are just a bit of a misfire.
For 10s, like I said, I think DA7970 has better ergonomics/shift performance/efficency/brakes/design.
Overall, they advanced DA with a clear, innovative advancement in most every way.
7900 lever design was poor but the other components worked better than 7800.
The crankset design is up for debate. I think the 7800 looks better but I remember DA loyalists HATED it when it came out.
Of that era, 7800C was the prettiest imo.
I love the ergonomics and shifting of 7800 (except the exposed shift wires).
9000(1) is actually more of a successor to 7800 than 7900.
The lever ergonomics, the crankset design - it looks like a new generation 7800 rather than 7900.
I wasn't convinced about 11s or Di2 when they came out but they are really nice innovations- especially Di2.
I personally think the current gen DA really is the best but... you know, ymmv.
They are all really good groupsets, the DA family. 7900 levers are just a bit of a misfire.
9000 is really a good group and over time I might decide it's better than 7800 but the whole Di2 thing has pretty much assured that 9000 will never reach the levels of use that 7800 ever saw so unfortunately I think it's going to end up a footnote in the grand scheme.
So...even as you mention yourself in just about every paragraph - 7800 was.is the best.
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I almost always recommend SRAM because:
1. They are local out of Chicago and we race week in and week out with a lot of their staff and engineers. When given the option to support local I will.
2. Their product tends to at least have an argument for being some of the top product available.
3. Everything in their lineup is cross compatible still (even though they say it isn't) and that makes a huge difference to me and my customers.
4. Pricing - It's readily available and the cross compatibility allow us to put together a system that performs best for the customer while working with their budget.
Campy will always get an 11 speed nod from me as well. Campy stuff continues to be extremely well made and serviceable. Their incompatibility with wheel splines and generally extreme cost and pricing for top end product just simply makes me rule them out and always make them the third recommendation for anyone. Even the most diehard Campy guys I know on the local racing circuit have decided to just give up. If you only have the 1 rig and only always ride the same stuff then it becomes an option but when you're racing and you have to change wheels with people, need lots of different application stuff, etc then it's just more of a PITA.
I almost always recommend SRAM because:
1. They are local out of Chicago and we race week in and week out with a lot of their staff and engineers. When given the option to support local I will.
2. Their product tends to at least have an argument for being some of the top product available.
3. Everything in their lineup is cross compatible still (even though they say it isn't) and that makes a huge difference to me and my customers.
4. Pricing - It's readily available and the cross compatibility allow us to put together a system that performs best for the customer while working with their budget.
Campy will always get an 11 speed nod from me as well. Campy stuff continues to be extremely well made and serviceable. Their incompatibility with wheel splines and generally extreme cost and pricing for top end product just simply makes me rule them out and always make them the third recommendation for anyone. Even the most diehard Campy guys I know on the local racing circuit have decided to just give up. If you only have the 1 rig and only always ride the same stuff then it becomes an option but when you're racing and you have to change wheels with people, need lots of different application stuff, etc then it's just more of a PITA.
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Ebay prices are all over for older Shimano groups and components. If you're patient, you can get stuff pretty cheap. If you're not, you'll pay close to retail, even on older stuff.
One way I've found a lot of bargains is with mixed groups. Take a DA group and toss in one or two 105 or Ultegra components, and it tends to sell a LOT cheaper.
Just my $.02.
One way I've found a lot of bargains is with mixed groups. Take a DA group and toss in one or two 105 or Ultegra components, and it tends to sell a LOT cheaper.
Just my $.02.
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Di2 is good stuff. I still have reasons I prefer mechanical in certain applications (racing - while electronic has few breakdowns those breakdowns usually leave onsite support with no options and keep the rider from competing or completing and in cross - I have seen electronic do some stuff that has left the racer out of luck when if they had mechanical we would have been able to get them back into the game) but for the rank and file 99% of users it's they best.
XTR Di2 is incredible and the programming abilities are just so efficent and customizable to the rider and terrain
Everything can break, and I do like that mechanical is..well, mechanical. I know Di2 can have issues but I personally, have never seen any from those around me. Doesn't mean much but just saying my personal experience has been positive in regards to Di2.
9000 is really a good group and over time I might decide it's better than 7800 but the whole Di2 thing has pretty much assured that 9000 will never reach the levels of use that 7800 ever saw so unfortunately I think it's going to end up a footnote in the grand scheme.
All mechanical groups are being overshadowed by electronic, so that's just a industry wide thing.
So...even as you mention yourself in just about every paragraph - 7800 was.is the best.
In the context of 'vs. 9000' mechanical? no. 9001 takes that.
In the context of "best" 10s DA? no. DA Di2 10s takes that prize.
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I almost always recommend SRAM because:
1. They are local out of Chicago and we race week in and week out with a lot of their staff and engineers. When given the option to support local I will.
2. Their product tends to at least have an argument for being some of the top product available.
3. Everything in their lineup is cross compatible still (even though they say it isn't) and that makes a huge difference to me and my customers.
4. Pricing - It's readily available and the cross compatibility allow us to put together a system that performs best for the customer while working with their budget.
Campy will always get an 11 speed nod from me as well. Campy stuff continues to be extremely well made and serviceable. Their incompatibility with wheel splines and generally extreme cost and pricing for top end product just simply makes me rule them out and always make them the third recommendation for anyone. Even the most diehard Campy guys I know on the local racing circuit have decided to just give up. If you only have the 1 rig and only always ride the same stuff then it becomes an option but when you're racing and you have to change wheels with people, need lots of different application stuff, etc then it's just more of a PITA.
I almost always recommend SRAM because:
1. They are local out of Chicago and we race week in and week out with a lot of their staff and engineers. When given the option to support local I will.
2. Their product tends to at least have an argument for being some of the top product available.
3. Everything in their lineup is cross compatible still (even though they say it isn't) and that makes a huge difference to me and my customers.
4. Pricing - It's readily available and the cross compatibility allow us to put together a system that performs best for the customer while working with their budget.
Campy will always get an 11 speed nod from me as well. Campy stuff continues to be extremely well made and serviceable. Their incompatibility with wheel splines and generally extreme cost and pricing for top end product just simply makes me rule them out and always make them the third recommendation for anyone. Even the most diehard Campy guys I know on the local racing circuit have decided to just give up. If you only have the 1 rig and only always ride the same stuff then it becomes an option but when you're racing and you have to change wheels with people, need lots of different application stuff, etc then it's just more of a PITA.
I'm over the Campy thing too...
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Sorry to bump this, but I thought doing so would be better than starting a new thread. I have a DA 7800 12-25 cassette that I just pulled in favor of an Ultegra 6800 11-28 cassette. Is the old cassette worth anything or should I keep it for a future (though unplanned as of now) 10sp build? It has low miles.
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Sorry to bump this, but I thought doing so would be better than starting a new thread. I have a DA 7800 12-25 cassette that I just pulled in favor of an Ultegra 6800 11-28 cassette. Is the old cassette worth anything or should I keep it for a future (though unplanned as of now) 10sp build? It has low miles.
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Quick scan of buy it now prices for that cassette says it's worth between $30 and $70, depending on condition. For little things like cassettes it's easier and cheaper to sell locally, especially if you have a facebook buy/sell group for your area. That way you avoid the shipping/transaction costs of ebay.
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