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GlennR 12-09-15 09:28 AM

Cleaning the cassette
 
After giving my bike a complete "end of season" cleaning, i was not satisfied on how clean the cassette was. So I decided to buy a inexpensive ultrasonic cleaner (i can also used it for small car parts). So I thought i'd share the results.

This is already after I did my "normal" weekly cleaning.
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This is after 5 minutes in the ultrasonic cleaner with 1:10 Simple Green and water.
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10 Wheels 12-09-15 09:31 AM

Clean your chain in there.

GlennR 12-09-15 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by 10 Wheels (Post 18376999)
Clean your chain in there.

I've thought of that but i'm concerned that it will remove all the lube, even between the rollers and applying fresh lube might not get into the tight places and cause more wear.

Honestly, I have 4000 miles on my chain and while using the Park tool, it does drop in the .5, it does not drop in the .75.

I might just change it anyway.

rpenmanparker 12-09-15 09:34 AM

Looks good but not quite perfect. Am I right? IMO a more concentrated Simple Green solution would do a better job.

rpenmanparker 12-09-15 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by oldnslow2 (Post 18377012)
I've thought of that but i'm concerned that it will remove all the lube, even between the rollers and applying fresh lube might not get into the tight places and cause more wear.

Honestly, I have 4000 miles on my chain and while using the Park tool, it does drop in the .5, it does not drop in the .75.

I might just change it anyway.

If you dry the chain thoroughly (e.g. low temperature oven) after a water-based wash, you don't have to worry about the fresh lube penetrating all the nooks and crannies. Capillary action will pull it right in. Water that stays in the crevices could keep lube out, but if you get rid of that, you are golden.

10 Wheels 12-09-15 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by oldnslow2 (Post 18377012)
I've thought of that but i'm concerned that it will remove all the lube, even between the rollers and applying fresh lube might not get into the tight places and cause more wear.

Honestly, I have 4000 miles on my chain and while using the Park tool, it does drop in the .5, it does not drop in the .75.

I might just change it anyway.

It will also remove the Grit and give it a longer life.

Friend does that and gets 20,000 mi from his chains.

GlennR 12-09-15 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 18377013)
Looks good but not quite perfect. Am I right? IMO a more concentrated Simple Green solution would do a better job.

There are rubber "bands" between the cogs and when trying it with the compressor, some grease that was trapped under it came out. I thought of removing them, but not sure I can get replacements if they get damaged.


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 18377022)
If you dry the chain thoroughly (e.g. low temperature oven) after a water-based wash, you don't have to worry about the fresh lube penetrating all the nooks and crannies. Capillary action will pull it right in. Water that stays in the crevices could keep lube out, but if you get rid of that, you are golden.

Since my chain has 4000 miles and has already stretched (worn), i'm not too worried about replacing it soon.

TimothyH 12-09-15 09:58 AM

What is the make/model of your ultrasonic cleaner? Is it heated?

I've been looking at the one sold by Harbor Freight for $78.

Ultrasonic Cleaner - 2.5 Liter

GlennR 12-09-15 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by TimothyH (Post 18377096)
What is the make/model of your ultrasonic cleaner? Is it heated?

I've been looking at the one sold by Harbor Freight for $78.

Ultrasonic Cleaner - 2.5 Liter

Yes.. heated.

Professional Stainless Steel 2L Ultrasonic Cleaner Heater Timer Bracket Jewelry | eBay

rpenmanparker 12-09-15 10:05 AM

Does anyone know how important those big O-rings are? Noise abatement? I don't get any noise from my older, solid Red cassettes with the appropriate chain choice (KMC). Could the perforated ones actually be noisier and require those rubber bands?

Shimagnolo 12-09-15 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by oldnslow2 (Post 18377110)

Interesting. Appears to be all-metal, as opposed to the plastic body of the Harbor Freight unit I have.
What are the options when setting the timer?
I get annoyed at the maximum 480 seconds of the HF unit which almost always requires repeated settings to get the job done.

Dan333SP 12-09-15 10:23 AM

And I thought I was being anal by flossing my cassette with a soapy rag while mounted on the wheel last weekend.

I know you work on cars and pulling a cassette/chain/whatever for weekly cleaning is probably easy and pleasing for you, but for me it seems that the total time spent cleaning and re-lubing bits and pieces of the drivetrain just isn't worth the slightly higher cost over the lifespan of a bike if you have to replace things a few thousand miles sooner.

As long as it looks pretty clean, shifts smoothly, and doesn't make any unusual noises I'm happy and that is accomplished with a wipe 'n lube every week or so on the chain and the occasional cog-floss and wipedown on the chainrings.

RPK79 12-09-15 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Dan333SP (Post 18377181)
And I thought I was being anal by flossing my cassette with a soapy rag while mounted on the wheel last weekend.

I know you work on cars and pulling a cassette/chain/whatever for weekly cleaning is probably easy and pleasing for you, but for me it seems that the total time spent cleaning and re-lubing bits and pieces of the drivetrain just isn't worth the slightly higher cost over the lifespan of a bike if you have to replace things a few thousand miles sooner.

As long as it looks pretty clean, shifts smoothly, and doesn't make any unusual noises I'm happy and that is accomplished with a wipe 'n lube every week or so on the chain and the occasional cog-floss and wipedown on the chainrings.

I pull the cassette for cleaning, maybe, once every 1,000 miles. Usually on a rainy Saturday while I watch some lame movie on Netflix. I'll strip my whole bike down and do a thorough cleaning.

TimothyH 12-09-15 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by oldnslow2 (Post 18377110)

Thanks. Looks like a small strainer might be needed for smaller parts. Price is right tho. Mouse hovering over the "buy it now" button... :)




Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 18377281)
I pull the cassette for cleaning, maybe, once every 1,000 miles. Usually on a rainy Saturday while I watch some lame movie on Netflix. I'll strip my whole bike down and do a thorough cleaning.

Yeah, it really isn't that big of a deal to get the cassette off. I've used KMC Missing Links on my chains for over a decade without issue and so the chain comes off without tools. It's the perfect time to wash and wax, check tires for cuts, clean derailleur pulleys, etc.

Taking the cassette off, dropping it into an ultrasonic cleaner and putting it back on has to be easier than flossing.

GlennR 12-09-15 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Dan333SP (Post 18377181)
I know you work on cars and pulling a cassette/chain/whatever for weekly cleaning is probably easy and pleasing for you, but for me it seems that the total time spent cleaning and re-lubing bits and pieces of the drivetrain just isn't worth the slightly higher cost over the lifespan of a bike if you have to replace things a few thousand miles sooner.

I never planned on removing it weekly. This was a "after season" cleaning and it has 4000 miles. I do clean my drivetrain about once a week which is about 150 miles, but nothing more than the usual spray and wipe off. Now that i have this, I might do a "mid season" cleaning since it only takes a few minutes to do it.


Originally Posted by TimothyH (Post 18377328)
Thanks. Looks like a small strainer might be needed for smaller parts. Price is right tho.

Easy enough to drop a finer strainer inside the provided one.

cydewaze 12-09-15 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by oldnslow2 (Post 18377110)

You had to go and do that. Another toy for my collection.

Square Wheels 12-09-15 01:31 PM

Thanks, gonna grab one now.

I've taken my cassette off a couple of times, and always worry I am putting it on too tight. Do you use a torque wrench?

TimothyH 12-09-15 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by cydewaze (Post 18377536)
You had to go and do that. Another toy for my collection.

Tools are not toys. That's how people get hurt.

Just act all serious when you say that and people will believe you.

Brian Ratliff 12-09-15 02:50 PM

So... Err... What's with the obsession with cassette cleanliness?

TimothyH 12-09-15 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff (Post 18377834)
So... Err... What's with the obsession with cassette cleanliness?

There is zero basis for assuming anyone is obsessed with anything.

OP was just sharing something he found that does a great job and we were discussing, that's all. The device cleans more than cassettes and the OP mentioned using it for car parts as well.

That hardly makes for an obsession.

10 Wheels 12-09-15 03:19 PM

Clean Feels Faster.

GlennR 12-09-15 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff (Post 18377834)
So... Err... What's with the obsession with cassette cleanliness?

If cleaning it once a year after 4000 miles is obssessive, then taking a shower more than once a month is also an obsession. ;)

Nachoman 12-09-15 03:25 PM

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Dan333SP 12-09-15 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by TimothyH (Post 18377872)
There is zero basis for assuming anyone is obsessed with anything.

OP was just sharing something he found that does a great job and we were discussing, that's all. The device cleans more than cassettes and the OP mentioned using it for car parts as well.

That hardly makes for an obsession.

It sounds like you're obsessed with Brian's opinion of OP's cassette cleanliness. Please clarify your reasons. It's a little unsettling.

Dan333SP 12-09-15 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Square Wheels (Post 18377649)
Thanks, gonna grab one now.

I've taken my cassette off a couple of times, and always worry I am putting it on too tight. Do you use a torque wrench?

I'm sure someone else will chime in with real advice, but I'm pretty sure it's hard to exceed the max specified torque on cassette lockrings by hand using a normal lockring tool and wrench. Then again, you want to be able to get it off in the future without breaking anything, so don't kill yourself trying to tighten it, but it should be on really, really firm.


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