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Flotation tires vs. trainer for PNW?

Old 12-18-15, 02:07 AM
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Flotation tires vs. trainer for PNW?

I. Am. Going. Insane.

There's been 2 rideable days in the last I-don't-know-how-long. I am swamped with work that has to get done in 2015 and couldn't hit 'em. It's literally flooding outside. There is no mercy. No break. No..... hope.

So someone please tell me what trainer I can buy myself for Xmas before I turn into a great pudding of a man.

I want good quality, nothing esoteric, don't need "best", do want a good solid machine. Money is not the primary concern. Me not falling into the pit of anaerobic despair is.

Help! I'm drowning!
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Old 12-18-15, 11:26 AM
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Kurt Kinetic. Prepare to hate yourself.

Also, setting up a trainer realistically requires a small dedicated room. Other things you need:

1) Large fan. Riding a trainer generates an immense amount of heat to keep you from over-heating.
2) TV or iPad. To keep you from going utterly insane.

Trainers are not quiet, even "quiet" trainers like Kurt Kinetic. Between the "road" noise and the giant fan, and a TV loud enough to hear over it, you kind of need a dedicated 8'x10' space. On the plus side, this can be in a garage during the winter.
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Old 12-18-15, 11:32 AM
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Ok, I'm googling that next. Thanks.

Got a room for it out in my shop so no worries there.
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Old 12-18-15, 11:34 AM
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I. Am. Going. Insane.
You've come to the right place.
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Old 12-18-15, 01:47 PM
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I recommend trying to buy used. Bike trainers are like gym memberships, they seem like a great idea at first but are seldom followed through on which makes the used market pretty appealing.

I picked up one of these (Cycle OPS JefFluid Pro) used on eBay for $180 including shipping which I thought was a great deal. I was scoping craigslist pretty heavily for about a month and offered to buy Cycle OPS Fluid 2's from three separate postings the day they were posted and each time they had already sold it. They were going from $150 to $200.

I had my heart set on a fluid trainer because I live in a condo and do not want it to be too loud, but if you do not care about noise you could get a magnetic trainer for much cheaper.

A lot of people hate riding the trainer, I like it... not as much as actually riding, but I still like it. The key is to do structured intervals. Going for an hour or 90 min spin at an easy effort is painstakingly boring. You would think I would dread the hard effort days, but I most dread when an easy day comes up on the training plan and the weather prohibits me from going outside.
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I would recommend the smart trainer route so you can take advantage of Zwift or BKool simulators. With my BKool Pro trainer I can ride virtually any ride I have ridden in reality, and the trainer automatically increases/decreases resistance based on road grade. Also you can ride with others, or set up computer "bots" to ride against.

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Old 12-18-15, 03:33 PM
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Kurt kinetic is great but for the money I would rather have a smart trainer. I haven't tried it but I think you can get a tacx from Europe for around the same price.
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I got a Cyclops Jet Pro awhile back. Was not looking for all the fancy new stuff and just needed something to beat on my self during Sufferfest videos. Fluid trainer with quick set up and stores easily.
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Old 12-18-15, 06:07 PM
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I'm not quite sure which days weren't rideable.

Most days have been in the 40's or 50's.

Yeah, a bit of "liquid sunshine", but that's why there is a store called Showers Pass up in Portland.

I did take a slight detour on the bike path through Alton Baker Park a few days ago.



Oh, yes, and a dedicated rust-free winter bike.
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You forgot your flotation tires!
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Old 12-19-15, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
You forgot your flotation tires!
Hmmm,

Anybody try a fat bike in deep water?

To actually float, I'd need to displace about the equivalent amount of water as my body volume. Reinforced tractor tubes?

Maybe I should bring my life jacket for my next ride down that section of path. I think for the most part it was less than a foot deep. I don't have fenders on my bike, so the spray might be substantial.
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Old 12-19-15, 12:31 PM
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I've got a rain bike. As of 10:30 today might actually work! Gonna be a lot of storm debris on the roads out here (Warthen, Sheffler, Poodle Ck, Butler, etc).... and I'm gonna be hurting on those hills...
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Old 12-19-15, 10:34 PM
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First of all, we've had (almost) nothing but rideable days, unless you are related to the Wicked Witch of the West and melt away in water. (Those few days that had lows of 18F don't count in my book. Water should be liquid.) Get some lights, wool layers, shoe covers and a shell and hit the road.

However, if you are determined to punish yourself, skip the trainer thing and go with a nice set of rollers. At least you will actually be improving something while you suffer indoors rather than just going deaf. Yes, you can get resistance add-ons if you want more noise.
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Old 12-20-15, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
I've got a rain bike. As of 10:30 today might actually work! Gonna be a lot of storm debris on the roads out here (Warthen, Sheffler, Poodle Ck, Butler, etc).... and I'm gonna be hurting on those hills...
If cars can get through, bikes can get through. Just watch the road in front of you, and maybe ride near the fog line if there aren't any cars around.

I've stopped a few times to throw a stick or branch off the road, not that it was absolutely necessary to get past, but In figured I might as well get rid of stuff that is problematic on the roads I regularly ride. I should probably bring a broom for glass too

The riverfront bike paths seemed fairly clear today. Perhaps they were recently swept, except that section that is flooded. The water level is down a foot or two though.
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Suffering through rain isn't fun and its hard on your bike. Also, being cold will not make you faster. When its less than 55, im inside. This is my first season training indoor, which ive been mostly doing for the past couple months. I use a cheap mag trainer that i got on ebay for 20 bucks. Its loud but its what fits my budget. I highly recommend getting netflix and having some decent bookshelf size speakers hooked up to your tv at minimum. Also have a fan (very helpful). By training indoor when the cold will cause you to shorten your ride, you will become faster.
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As for what to get Im going to refer you to DCRainmaker and pick a pricepoint. My Winter 2015-2016 Bike Trainer Recommendations | DC Rainmaker

Like others have said look for a used trainer on Craigslist as they go for dirt cheap because of good intention. I picked up a Kurt Kinetic Fluid for $150 a few years ago and have hundreds of hours on it
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I find that I get bored with exercise bikes and exercise machines pretty quickly. So, while I can ride a bike for a few hours, I'm done with an exercise bike in 15 minutes.

I suppose I should design it around entertainment.
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Get a set of resistance rollers. I've been riding my set here for >15 years. They are the Only Thing. It's actually almost fun. My wife says I'm usually smiling. I have many thousands of miles on them. Use your regular road bike, same tires, etc.

In winter, I do at least one long ride outside every weekend no matter the weather. I'll go out midweek only if it's nice, so that's almost never. With the right gear, we've done rain rides up to 10 hours as long as it was above 40°, and it usually is. Riding outside only on weekends means you have the rest of the week to do the laundry, prep the bike, and get your head around doing it again. We've been averaging ~9 hours/week training time this fall/winter.

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Inside Ride e-motion rollers. Plus they are a local PNW company if I remember correctly.

And yes, I feel your pain. It has been crazy for the last month or so.
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I have never been one to be able to ride indoors. I have very good raincoat, rainpants, and some great rain booties from Gore. They all have taped seams. I suit up and ride. I did 150 miles last week all in the rain. It is not so bad once you warm up.
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