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Jed19 01-19-16 05:36 PM

I have owned and rode various iterations of the Cannondale CAAD frames. I was a heavy guy at 210-215Ibs, but while the rides were stiff and I somewhat liked stiff frames, I just could not bear the continued beat-ups, especially as I aged. I have been riding CAAD frames as far back as 1998, so I feel I can talk a little bit about my progression from "preferring' stiff frames to now hating too stiff. As soon as I rode a carbon frame a reasonable distance, I was intent on getting rid of my aluminum frames. Carbon frames is all I ever ride now, and the stiffness and being not beaten up harshly post-ride offers a nice combo. Oh, I forgot, I still own a 1994 Cannondale Killer V900 aluminum frame, but it is mostly a beach cruiser these days. Believe me, there is something called "too stiff."

colnago62 01-19-16 09:58 PM

When Cannondale first stared supplying bikes to Team Saeco, they story was the riders were complaining that the bike is way too stiff.

colnago62 01-19-16 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by ptempel (Post 18470540)
+1

I also had a 3.0 bike a long time ago. I call it "the brick". :) Was the only frame that claimed that you could stand on the seatstays and not bend them. I'll believe it. You must have had a pretty spectacular crash to break this one...

It wasn't crashes that killed the frame, it was the thin aluminum on the seat tube. I kept pulling the front derailleur hanger out. Sweat would get down in between the the hanger, which was bolted on, and the frame. I solved the problem by using a gasket sealant to fill in the space between the frame and hanger.

hooCycles 01-19-16 10:25 PM

Given that a frame could (not really, since we are ignoring all dynamics) be assumed to be a statically-loaded linear elastic member (a very, very stiff spring of sorts), a heavier rider would just 'preload' the frame a bit more and the result would be the same displacement over bumps as a lighter rider would experience.

Of course, this is a terrible model and I think it would be worthwhile to look into this question a lot deeper. Perhaps a simple spring (the frame) mass (rider) damper (tires/inflation, frame, you) system would be able to answer more questions.

If there are any suspension engineers here I would like to hear your thoughts.

ptempel 01-20-16 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by colnago62 (Post 18472147)
It wasn't crashes that killed the frame, it was the thin aluminum on the seat tube. I kept pulling the front derailleur hanger out. Sweat would get down in between the the hanger, which was bolted on, and the frame. I solved the problem by using a gasket sealant to fill in the space between the frame and hanger.

Interesting. I usually would rust the stem bolt with sweat. But never got any on the FD hanger that I know of. Another common rust/corrosion spot was the first cable guide on the top tube. I think they were plastic on the Cannondale 3.0, no?

mapeiboy 01-20-16 02:31 PM

I agreed with the theory . I bought an aluminum bike from Pinarello years ago and I could feel every road bump . Sold it after one year .

colnago62 01-20-16 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by ptempel (Post 18473569)
Interesting. I usually would rust the stem bolt with sweat. But never got any on the FD hanger that I know of. Another common rust/corrosion spot was the first cable guide on the top tube. I think they were plastic on the Cannondale 3.0, no?

That is what the LBS told me. Who knows for sure, though.


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