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Old 01-18-16, 08:50 PM
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Have you ever thought riding a road bike or other bikes with gears, is like driving a Manual transmission with a flap paddle gear box. You can pick what gear to be in and redline it or cruise at a lower Rpm.
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Old 01-18-16, 10:35 PM
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I usually don't drive my bike, but when I do I put it in the back of my hatchback. My car is a manual, and I tend to keep it about 50-60% of redline when accelerating.
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It's worse than that. I've adopted the habit of shifting (my car) into neutral to coast.
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Old 01-19-16, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by alexaschwanden
Have you ever thought riding a road bike or other bikes with gears, is like driving a Manual transmission with a flap paddle gear box. You can pick what gear to be in and redline it or cruise at a lower Rpm.
Hmmm... Less thinking and more riding.

Upshift when you want to increase pedal force. Downshift when you want to spin faster, decrease pedal force, or climb a hill.

However, perhaps it is more like a truck with a 2-speed rearend. You've got to worry about both the tranny and the rear-end gearing.
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Old 01-19-16, 01:03 AM
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i love outdoor activities, i love bicycle riding,give me fresh air, fresh scenery,everything is new.very nice..
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Old 01-19-16, 04:21 AM
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I find when I imagine I am driving a car while riding a bike, cyclists tend to annoy me so I try to run myself off the road while shouting curses at myself. In retaliation I then blind myself with my 500-lumen flashing headlight. It gets confusing when I try to describe the other party for the police report.

Safer to imagine I am riding a bike when I ride.
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Originally Posted by alexaschwanden
Have you ever thought riding a road bike or other bikes with gears, is like driving a Manual transmission with a flap paddle gear box. You can pick what gear to be in and redline it or cruise at a lower Rpm.
No. Because engine braking doesn't work the same way.
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Old 01-19-16, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Amyomni
i love outdoor activities, i love bicycle riding,give me fresh air, fresh scenery,everything is new.very nice..
Very nice!

OP- no.
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Old 01-19-16, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by alexaschwanden
Have you ever thought riding a road bike or other bikes with gears, is like driving a Manual transmission with a flap paddle gear box. You can pick what gear to be in and redline it or cruise at a lower Rpm.
Whenever I have thoughts like that when cycling......... I realize that incoherent thoughts may be an early sign of dehydration... so I drink some water.

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I find when I imagine I am driving a car while riding a bike, cyclists tend to annoy me so I try to run myself off the road while shouting curses at myself. In retaliation I then blind myself with my 500-lumen flashing headlight. It gets confusing when I try to describe the other party for the police report.
Again.... hydrate.
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Old 01-19-16, 06:04 AM
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When I ride my fixed gear, I do daydream about what a single speed transmission might mean to my car's engine. I find that I'm developing a broader power band as a result.

With a multi-geared bike, no.
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Old 01-19-16, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
Hmmm... Less thinking and more riding.

Upshift when you want to increase pedal force. Downshift when you want to spin faster, decrease pedal force, or climb a hill.

However, perhaps it is more like a truck with a 2-speed rearend. You've got to worry about both the tranny and the rear-end gearing.
Thinking while riding is good!

I like the heavy truck analogy!
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Old 01-19-16, 08:21 AM
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So this is slightly (mostly) OT, but I have a stick shift car and out of curiosity I did a search on whether regular heel-n-toe style downshifts while decelerating add extra wear and tear to a clutch or transmission.

Some internet people loudly insist that the only way to downshift correctly without additional wear is to double clutch with careful rev-matching. Didn't synchronized gearboxes eliminate the need for that sort of driving? Are they just paranoid?
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Old 01-19-16, 08:25 AM
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Do the say that your car will asplode if you don't match revs?
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Old 01-19-16, 08:28 AM
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It will "drastically accelerate the wear" on your gearbox and clutch, allegedly. I bet they're the same type of folks that believe aluminum bike frames should be discarded after 8 years.
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No. I don't know how to drive a stick.
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Old 01-19-16, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
Didn't synchronized gearboxes eliminate the need for that sort of driving?
Yes.
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Old 01-19-16, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by kbarch
No. Because engine braking doesn't work the same way.
Except on a fixie...
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
So this is slightly (mostly) OT, but I have a stick shift car and out of curiosity I did a search on whether regular heel-n-toe style downshifts while decelerating add extra wear and tear to a clutch or transmission.

Some internet people loudly insist that the only way to downshift correctly without additional wear is to double clutch with careful rev-matching. Didn't synchronized gearboxes eliminate the need for that sort of driving? Are they just paranoid?
Those syncros are like clutches that have to bring the next gear up to speed before engagement. If you match speeds by double clutching you eliminate syncro wear.
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Sure, but they're designed to do that, right? I'd imagine the syncros should last as long as the gears themselves under normal operation without double clutching.
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I can't find the clutch on my bike. I will write the manufacturer, I guess.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
I can't find the clutch on my bike. I will write the manufacturer, I guess.

Here it is-

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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
So this is slightly (mostly) OT, but I have a stick shift car and out of curiosity I did a search on whether regular heel-n-toe style downshifts while decelerating add extra wear and tear to a clutch or transmission.

Some internet people loudly insist that the only way to downshift correctly without additional wear is to double clutch with careful rev-matching. Didn't synchronized gearboxes eliminate the need for that sort of driving? Are they just paranoid?
If you do it correctly, which is not easy (must match engine & gearbox revs), it's probably better for the transmission. If you do it wrong, it's worse than just shifting IMO.
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP
So this is slightly (mostly) OT, but I have a stick shift car and out of curiosity I did a search on whether regular heel-n-toe style downshifts while decelerating add extra wear and tear to a clutch or transmission.

Some internet people loudly insist that the only way to downshift correctly without additional wear is to double clutch with careful rev-matching. Didn't synchronized gearboxes eliminate the need for that sort of driving? Are they just paranoid?
You need to heal toe downshift on a race track ( or driving very aggressively on the road) in order to be in the right gear to accelerate out of a turn at the right rpm, without upsetting the balance of the car by letting the clutch out in the new lower gear at too low rpm.

Regular driving there's no need to heal toe downshift.

As for wear on your clutch if your hammering into turns, downshifting to be in the right gear to accelerate out as fast as possible, you'll add much less wear to the clutch with a properly executed heal toe downshift, than just shifting into the lower gear and forcing the engine to suddenly surge up a couple thousand rpm
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