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justinzane 02-01-16 10:18 AM

Seatposts vs. Bad Roads: Does the Post Matter?
 
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I just rediscovered a VeloNews article about seatpost vibration damping tests from 2012. They did a nice little study, with the following results:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=501888
As good as their study design was, I have a hard time translating their results to how much pain my ass will feel on a long ride on ill-maintained road, washboards, etc.

On my old bike, I was able to run 25 or 28mm tires; and, especially with the Clement Strada 28mm, the ride was very cush. My new bike, a Tri/TT frame, will not fit more than a 24mm; so I'm trying to determine whether a "softer" post would help. A complicating factor for me, too, is that I use a 0mm setback post, so there is no damping from the "elbow" of the setback.

Anyone experience any truly noticeable benefits from changing posts?

Or...

Anyone find a suspension post to be worth the weight and flex on a road bike?

noodle soup 02-01-16 10:21 AM

I like small diameter carbon fiber seatposts because they have more goodly flex.

datlas 02-01-16 10:26 AM

I suspect it matters very little. You will get more comfort by dropping your tire pressure by 5-10PSI.

RollCNY 02-01-16 10:28 AM

On a brutal frame, seatpost changes are noticeable. On a plush frame, they are not. At least in my experience.

Seattle Forrest 02-01-16 10:30 AM

How much it matters is going to depend partly on how much post you have showing.

Fox Farm 02-01-16 10:38 AM

Our try one of the saddles with some elastomers used where the rails join the shell. Sella Italia makes one.

noodle soup 02-01-16 10:48 AM

Are you trying to make the Fuji Aloha a bit more comfortable? If so, wide tires and lower pressure is your best bet.

woodcraft 02-01-16 12:30 PM

I think it makes a noticeable difference,

but only w/ a setback post.

0 setback= insignificant difference, but a few grams saved w/ carbon.

chaadster 02-01-16 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 18503398)
How much it matters is going to depend partly on how much post you have showing.

This is such an obvious factor, yet it's virtually absent from the conversation about seatpost vibration damping.

justinzane 02-01-16 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 18503388)
I suspect it matters very little. You will get more comfort by dropping your tire pressure by 5-10PSI.

Surely so; but presuming that one has the best rim width, tire width and pressure for their frame, I'm trying to work out what difference posts make.

I'm sure that the larger online stores have over 50 different options just for 350mmx27.2mm posts ranging from <20 USD to >250 USD. I find it hard to believe that even the most status conscious weight weenie around would spend that much on a post if there were no functional reasons. May have given some more credit for rationality than I should, though.

justinzane 02-01-16 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 18503804)
This is such an obvious factor, yet it's virtually absent from the conversation about seatpost vibration damping.


For me, probably 175mm.

justinzane 02-01-16 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 18503445)
Are you trying to make the Fuji Aloha a bit more comfortable? If so, wide tires and lower pressure is your best bet.


Well aware of that, as I stated in the 2nd paragraph of the OP. Asking because of the limited clearance of the short stays.

noodle soup 02-01-16 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by justinzane (Post 18503827)
Well aware of that, as I stated in the 2nd paragraph of the OP. Asking because of the limited clearance of the short stays.

Doesn't that frame use an aero profile post(not round)? If so, a saddle with elastomer inserts would be your next best choice.

A "Thudbuster" seatpost would work well if you're Aloha uses a round post, but they are ugly.

Clipped_in 02-01-16 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 18503398)
How much it matters is going to depend partly on how much post you have showing.


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 18503804)
This is such an obvious factor, yet it's virtually absent from the conversation about seatpost vibration damping.

Agreed!

BTW, all my bikes see a lot of exposed seatpost.

rpenmanparker 02-01-16 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by justinzane (Post 18503813)
Surely so; but presuming that one has the best rim width, tire width and pressure for their frame, I'm trying to work out what difference posts make.

I'm sure that the larger online stores have over 50 different options just for 350mmx27.2mm posts ranging from <20 USD to >250 USD. I find it hard to believe that even the most status conscious weight weenie around would spend that much on a post if there were no functional reasons. May have given some more credit for rationality than I should, though.

Not only are you assuming a difference in functionality (comfort) among posts, but you are also assuming the comfort difference is positively correlated to price. Wow! That is a huge stretch. If you search for an economical post on the basis of design characteristics that should deliver comfort, you will likely achieve your goal. Look for carbon, setback, and 25.4 diameter to be used with a cylindrical shim up to 27.2 or whatever you have. Also lighter should be more comfortable since it suggests thinner tube wall = more flexibility. The result of such a search will be very close to as good as you can do. Personally I don't worry about it.

milkbaby 02-01-16 03:20 PM

Specialized CG-R seatpost... You may need to slam your saddle forward if you're using zero setback now though.

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...seatpost01.jpg


noodle soup 02-01-16 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by milkbaby (Post 18504173)
Specialized CG-R seatpost... You may need to slam your saddle forward if you're using zero setback now though.

http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...seatpost01.jpg


Wow! I thought Thudbuster seatposts were the ugliest seatposts ever made until see that monstrosity.

CafeVelo 02-01-16 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by justinzane (Post 18503813)
I find it hard to believe that even the most status conscious weight weenie around would spend that much on a post if there were no functional reasons.

You don't spend much time around roadies, do you

redfooj 02-01-16 04:19 PM

I have fluted alum, plain alum, fancy Thomson alum, ti, and carbon posts...some of them interchanged on same bikes.

Don't make a **** in terms of ride.


The fancy mid 80s vintage aero campag ones are the best. Cuz hey look the coolest

Carbonfiberboy 02-01-16 04:33 PM

We run a CG-R for Stoker on our tandem. The rear triangle on a steel tandem makes the stiffest carbon racing frame seem flimsy. Stoker says it makes a huge difference, though mostly on the small stuff: chip seal, road cracks, small holes, that sort of thing. She loves it.

noodle soup 02-01-16 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy (Post 18504312)
We run a CG-R for Stoker on our tandem. The rear triangle on a steel tandem makes the stiffest carbon racing frame seem flimsy. Stoker says it makes a huge difference, though mostly on the small stuff: chip seal, road cracks, small holes, that sort of thing. She loves it.

I use a Thudbuster on my mountain tandem, and she loves it(but damn it's ugly).

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...1933449E33.jpg

KonaRider125 02-01-16 09:54 PM

I switched from a basic alloy seat post to a Ritchey carbon seat post recently, and it made a noticeable difference in smoothing out the ride. The majority of the roads I ride on are very rough chip seal so to me a little smoother ride is worth the $200.

Also running 25c tires at around 90 PSI helps smoothen things out too.

Oldguyonoldbike 02-01-16 10:47 PM

My aluminum cx bike with the stock aluminum seatpost was really beating me up. I replaced the post with a relatively inexpensive (Tifosi) post and the ride is noticeably more comfortable (about 12cm showing, 31.7 post w/25mm setback).

Ice41000 02-02-16 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by justinzane (Post 18503363)
I just rediscovered a VeloNews article about seatpost vibration damping tests from 2012. They did a nice little study, with the following results:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=501888
As good as their study design was, I have a hard time translating their results to how much pain my ass will feel on a long ride on ill-maintained road, washboards, etc.

On my old bike, I was able to run 25 or 28mm tires; and, especially with the Clement Strada 28mm, the ride was very cush. My new bike, a Tri/TT frame, will not fit more than a 24mm; so I'm trying to determine whether a "softer" post would help. A complicating factor for me, too, is that I use a 0mm setback post, so there is no damping from the "elbow" of the setback.

Anyone experience any truly noticeable benefits from changing posts?

Or...

Anyone find a suspension post to be worth the weight and flex on a road bike?

Yes.
I remember how surprised I was when I replaced stock alu post on my CAAD5 with titanium one (significantly better than expected).
Also, recently I moved from carbon road handlebar to alu, and difference is quite noticeable.
Decent carbon post will certainly be better than auminium one.

rpenmanparker 02-02-16 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by Oldguyonoldbike (Post 18505159)
My aluminum cx bike with the stock aluminum seatpost was really beating me up. I replaced the post with a relatively inexpensive (Tifosi) post and the ride is noticeably more comfortable (about 12cm showing, 31.7 post w/25mm setback).

You should try a smaller diameter post with a shim. The precision shims are easy to find. That should be even better.


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