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CF vs. Al vs. Steel

Old 02-05-16, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Y. View Post
Thread count is big with sheets too.
I have carbon fiber sheets. The fitted ones are hard to fold though...

Originally Posted by Agent Cooper View Post
How DARE you confuse this issue with calm reason and logic!!!

To the OP:

Everybody on BF KNOWS that-
Aluminum is too stiff.
Steel is too heavy.
Carbon is too fragile.
Titanium is too sexy.
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OP...I'm just going to add a couple of factoids.
1. carbon can be made lighter than any frame material for the same level of stiffness.
2. Al has come a long way in the last 5 years and is even an attractive racing material with decent ride quality.
3. Based upon 1 and 2, I no longer see the relevance of steel bike frames....ducks
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
I don't get around with a lot of cyclists like I used to, but my anecdotal $0.02 is that I have never seen a broken carbon frame or fork in person. If there are a lot of them, you can't prove it by me.
I mentioned in another thread I've cycled for 40 years. I've raced, done tours, ride regularly in a group, and belong to a 5,000 member club. I've never seen a broken frame of any material. The one exception is my aluminum frame didn't turn out well when my wife tried driving into the garage with it on a roof rack.
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Check out Sheldon Brown's page on frame materials and/or, if you're into more geeky exposition, Strong Frames' 7-part article on CF and metallurgy.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
I don't get around with a lot of cyclists like I used to, but my anecdotal $0.02 is that I have never seen a broken carbon frame or fork in person. If there are a lot of them, you can't prove it by me.
OK, not in person, but in a recent Tour de France there was a spectacular explosion of a Specialized carbon bike when the rider ran smack into a reflective marker at the leading end of a traffic island, all captured on international TV broadcast. It was not a good ad for Specialized. Amazingly, the rider was not hurt, but there were pieces of bike and components raining all over for a few seconds.
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Originally Posted by dorkypants View Post
OK, not in person, but in a recent Tour de France there was a spectacular explosion of a Specialized carbon bike when the rider ran smack into a reflective marker at the leading end of a traffic island, all captured on international TV broadcast. It was not a good ad for Specialized. Amazingly, the rider was not hurt, but there were pieces of bike and components raining all over for a few seconds.
Can't make this stuff up. Have you ever seen a car that hit a concrete wall?
Are you homer simpson?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9jAN-OudU
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Originally Posted by dorkypants View Post
OK, not in person, but in a recent Tour de France there was a spectacular explosion of a Specialized carbon bike when the rider ran smack into a reflective marker at the leading end of a traffic island, all captured on international TV broadcast. It was not a good ad for Specialized. Amazingly, the rider was not hurt, but there were pieces of bike and components raining all over for a few seconds.
Okay, but you still can't prove it by me. And that isn't what "asplosion" means. When people talk about CF asploding, they mean just riding down the road, not due to a collision. Any bike can be destroyed in a collision. What difference does it make what the mode of failure is: bent tubes/broken tubes or fragments. Destroyed is destroyed.
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Originally Posted by chasm54 View Post
I can't believe I'm bothering to get involved in this, but you're talking nonsense. When steel bikes were built as light as possible for racing, they broke quite frequently. Any of the materials we have discussed will last pretty much indefinitely if built heavily enough, or break relatively easily if built as light as possible.
I wasn't talking about the lightest racing bikes- but rather, just regular bikes that the public ride. Even comparing CF to CF, it's usually the ultra-light bikes which break. Heck, remember just a few years ago, Cervelos were assploding more frequently than guys named Achmed on Israeli buses!
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Check out Sheldon Brown's page on frame materials and/or, if you're into more geeky exposition, Strong Frames' 7-part article on CF and metallurgy.
People always quote that Sheldon article seem to miss the part in the title that says "for the touring cyclist". I.e. It's not a general discussion of frames for all bike types.
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The one exception is my aluminum frame didn't turn out well when my wife tried driving into the garage with it on a roof rack.


...steel for the win.
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You forgot Ti, and that would be my choice based on research. I am currently lookin for a Ti all rounder/endurance bike with clearance for 28mm tires. ride it in the rain, who cares? durable material, light, compliant, cushy ride, prettier than carbon. whats not to like? Now to find one i like in my size!
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I have one of the Shimano 105 Ti's. It came with 35mm tires, so 28's would be no problem. GREAT bike. Your not going to pry it out of my greedy fingers.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer View Post
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...frame material does not matter. It's the color you paint it that matters: red for speed, blue for comfort, pink to assert your masculinity.
you left out black. Black does it all better.

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I've had two broken frames over the years. One was the stamped in rear dropout on an old 1950/60 era steel beast. Had nothing to do with the crazy 10 ft jumps I was doing on it. The other was my 2010 Trek Madone 4.5. RD body snapped due to a messed up chain and the jockey pully assembly swung around and right through the seat stay. Like all the way through....

Now in terms of comfort right now I can honestly say my 2003 Lemond Tourmelet of steel is the most comfortable. It absorbs the bumps of the rough roads I ride. On my 2008 Scott CR1 Pro and my 2011 Trek Madone 5.9 (both CF) I get beat up on the same route. My 2003 Kona Jake the Snake on the same road is the worse despite having the biggest tires and running the lowest pressures. It's an aluminum frame and just transmits every imperfection of the road into your body. Oh and even though it's only had a few rides my 1989 Giordana Antares was really smooth too. Yep, it's steel. So, while I could easily claim that steel is best (and it is, lol!!!) I won't. I'll just say that as of right now for the bikes I have, steel is best. Oh and I did ride a Trek Domane on the same roads ( I really wanted to like this one) but the Tourmelet was still more comfortable. And to add to it all, I've got a Lynskey just waiting in the wings for spring and clean roads to get here. I think for my needs it's going to be best but maybe not.

So, there you can. The definitive answer as proven by my comments. Steel is best, except when it isn't LOL!!

Oh, and I'm all ready to strut my masculinity with the pink bike!

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you left out black. Black does it all better.

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CF is the best material for a bike frame...except for all the others.
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...frame material does not matter. It's the color you paint it that matters: red for speed, blue for comfort, pink to assert your masculinity.
Seems like we are assuming all riders are female.
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I don't get around with a lot of cyclists like I used to, but my anecdotal $0.02 is that I have never seen a broken carbon frame or fork in person. If there are a lot of them, you can't prove it by me.
Go to a busy bike shop and ask around. My best friend is a bike mechanic and echoes the above statement, failed frames weekly, he has been riding and working professionally 30 years on bikes and is stupified by the pubic acceptance of a material that fails so regularly.
His words , not mine.

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Go to a busy bike shop and ask around. My good friend is a mechanic and echoes the above statement, failed frames weekly, he has been riding and working 30 years on bikes and is stultified by the pubic acceptance of a material that fails so regularly.
I'd understerstand his reaction a little better if it resembled stupefaction rather than stultification.
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I've had two broken frames over the years. One was the stamped in rear dropout on an old 1950/60 era steel beast. Had nothing to do with the crazy 10 ft jumps I was doing on it. The other was my 2010 Trek Madone 4.5. RD body snapped due to a messed up chain and the jockey pully assembly swung around and right through the seat stay. Like all the way through....

Now in terms of comfort right now I can honestly say my 2003 Lemond Tourmelet of steel is the most comfortable. It absorbs the bumps of the rough roads I ride. On my 2008 Scott CR1 Pro and my 2011 Trek Madone 5.9 (both CF) I get beat up on the same route. My 2003 Kona Jake the Snake on the same road is the worse despite having the biggest tires and running the lowest pressures. It's an aluminum frame and just transmits every imperfection of the road into your body. Oh and even though it's only had a few rides my 1989 Giordana Antares was really smooth too. Yep, it's steel. So, while I could easily claim that steel is best (and it is, lol!!!) I won't. I'll just say that as of right now for the bikes I have, steel is best. Oh and I did ride a Trek Domane on the same roads ( I really wanted to like this one) but the Tourmelet was still more comfortable. And to add to it all, I've got a Lynskey just waiting in the wings for spring and clean roads to get here. I think for my needs it's going to be best but maybe not.

So, there you can. The definitive answer as proven by my comments. Steel is best, except when it isn't LOL!!

Oh, and I'm all ready to strut my masculinity with the pink bike!

Sorry dude, white bike clearly.
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I have a 1976 steel bike and a 2004 carbon fiber titanium bike. The ti/cf is much lighter, yet I ride my steel bike almost exclusively. Can't objectively say which is better, I can subjectively say the steel bike is more comfortable and is for this reason , ridden the most. The cf has already failed at the water bottle bolt insets and I do worry that this could be a failure location and be dangerous. Has been repaired twice.
The steel has more miles, way over a hundred thousand, and is still in prefect condition despite 4 over 30mph crashes with the bike cartwheeling away.
Here it is, an Italian steel beauty still in perfect condition that I bought in 1976 for 779 dollars.
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...steel for the win.
I think perhaps there are better ways to dismount one's bike from the roof rack.
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I think perhaps there are better ways to dismount one's bike from the roof rack.
That is impressive though right. Makes me think of that javelin quivering in the cross beams when thrown by Ben Hur.

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That is impressive though right. Makes me think of that javelin quivering in the cross beams when thrown by Ben Hur.
Well, I suppose if one where in a big rush .......

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