Chinese Titanium Frameset, anyone?
02-14-16, 11:26 AM
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You may want to Google Falco bicycles. I think the guy behind them is an enthusiast that started his own company and contracted in person with specific factories in mainland China. I think he has frame options in carbon, aluminum, and titanium. He may have some insight into Ti frame fabrication on the mainland that he'd be willing to share with you. You may even find some answers in the stuff he's already posted online about his adventures in designing and getting frames made over the years.
Personally, the extremely large price gap between a $400 titanium frame on Alibaba and any other retail option in titanium would have me very worried that I would receive anything of quality or anything at all, period. You know what they say when something sounds too good to be true... I'd rather let the risk takers be first to push the frontiers.
02-14-16, 01:15 PM
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It looks like only three people who own Taiwanese Ti have responded, but of course Taiwan <> China (even if the Chinese government disagrees).
You may want to Google Falco bicycles. I think the guy behind them is an enthusiast that started his own company and contracted in person with specific factories in mainland China. I think he has frame options in carbon, aluminum, and titanium. He may have some insight into Ti frame fabrication on the mainland that he'd be willing to share with you. You may even find some answers in the stuff he's already posted online about his adventures in designing and getting frames made over the years.
Personally, the extremely large price gap between a $400 titanium frame on Alibaba and any other retail option in titanium would have me very worried that I would receive anything of quality or anything at all, period. You know what they say when something sounds too good to be true... I'd rather let the risk takers be first to push the frontiers.
You may want to Google Falco bicycles. I think the guy behind them is an enthusiast that started his own company and contracted in person with specific factories in mainland China. I think he has frame options in carbon, aluminum, and titanium. He may have some insight into Ti frame fabrication on the mainland that he'd be willing to share with you. You may even find some answers in the stuff he's already posted online about his adventures in designing and getting frames made over the years.
Personally, the extremely large price gap between a $400 titanium frame on Alibaba and any other retail option in titanium would have me very worried that I would receive anything of quality or anything at all, period. You know what they say when something sounds too good to be true... I'd rather let the risk takers be first to push the frontiers.
02-14-16, 01:51 PM
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Just to prove that not everybody who made a bad decision is too ashamed to share it: I have twice ordered something thankfully inexpensive (off freaking Ebay and Amazon) from a seller in China at a really low price and gotten nothing but emails about how the product was almost here. Thankfully I have a measure of protection there, but I would Never send a check to anything related to Alibaba ... which translates to "Rob the round-eye sucker," by the way.
02-14-16, 03:34 PM
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I think it's your continued boardline racist and offensive comments that are causing people to think you are not a cool dude
Evidence to me is seeing comparison tests actual pictures. Of course when I post things such as the link below then you all just cry about the source.
Not all frames are created equal. A look deep inside the carbon in counterfeit bikes - VeloNews.com!
Huh?
I'm sorry you no longer think I'm a "cool dude" because of my view on cheap ass chinese carbon frames. Got to love the internet age. A position based on facts like comparison tests and the fact that if your bike comes apart and breaks your body you'll have no one to sue and if you want a refund you're probably screwed. I know, those are "ludicrous" things to consider. No offense but your view on my position is irrelevant to me.
Not all frames are created equal. A look deep inside the carbon in counterfeit bikes - VeloNews.com!
Huh?
I'm sorry you no longer think I'm a "cool dude" because of my view on cheap ass chinese carbon frames. Got to love the internet age. A position based on facts like comparison tests and the fact that if your bike comes apart and breaks your body you'll have no one to sue and if you want a refund you're probably screwed. I know, those are "ludicrous" things to consider. No offense but your view on my position is irrelevant to me.
02-14-16, 03:43 PM
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It looks like only three people who own Taiwanese Ti have responded, but of course Taiwan <> China (even if the Chinese government disagrees).
You may want to Google Falco bicycles. I think the guy behind them is an enthusiast that started his own company and contracted in person with specific factories in mainland China. I think he has frame options in carbon, aluminum, and titanium. He may have some insight into Ti frame fabrication on the mainland that he'd be willing to share with you. You may even find some answers in the stuff he's already posted online about his adventures in designing and getting frames made over the years.
Personally, the extremely large price gap between a $400 titanium frame on Alibaba and any other retail option in titanium would have me very worried that I would receive anything of quality or anything at all, period. You know what they say when something sounds too good to be true... I'd rather let the risk takers be first to push the frontiers.
You may want to Google Falco bicycles. I think the guy behind them is an enthusiast that started his own company and contracted in person with specific factories in mainland China. I think he has frame options in carbon, aluminum, and titanium. He may have some insight into Ti frame fabrication on the mainland that he'd be willing to share with you. You may even find some answers in the stuff he's already posted online about his adventures in designing and getting frames made over the years.
Personally, the extremely large price gap between a $400 titanium frame on Alibaba and any other retail option in titanium would have me very worried that I would receive anything of quality or anything at all, period. You know what they say when something sounds too good to be true... I'd rather let the risk takers be first to push the frontiers.
But yes, get a Falco, or BD, or Habanero. I don't think I'd ride a bike from Alibaba. Or, in fact, with any components from Alibaba. Maybe other than bar tape. Maybe.
02-17-16, 12:31 AM
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The Falco story is amazing and everyone here should read it. The problem is it's in a ton of posts over in some thread on WeightWeenies somewhere.
But yes, get a Falco, or BD, or Habanero. I don't think I'd ride a bike from Alibaba. Or, in fact, with any components from Alibaba. Maybe other than bar tape. Maybe.
But yes, get a Falco, or BD, or Habanero. I don't think I'd ride a bike from Alibaba. Or, in fact, with any components from Alibaba. Maybe other than bar tape. Maybe.
Falco Bike Design Diary -- jersey and bibs out... - Weight Weenies
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...p?f=3&t=103185
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02-17-16, 05:01 AM
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I read some from another forum have made custom Ti frame from China
Some reputable companies I know of are XACD and Waltly
Of course if you google it, there are some 'unperfect' frame, but hey, I once saw a Lynskey with cracked headtube..
Last time I ask, they sell $700 for frame only and about $1000 for custom geometry
As for Chinese carbon, they cant do custom geometry, and I dont know any of them offer endurance geometry
There are some rumors that Van nicholas frame was made by XACD, but I cant verify if its true
Check out spanner.org.uk
Some reputable companies I know of are XACD and Waltly
Of course if you google it, there are some 'unperfect' frame, but hey, I once saw a Lynskey with cracked headtube..
Last time I ask, they sell $700 for frame only and about $1000 for custom geometry
As for Chinese carbon, they cant do custom geometry, and I dont know any of them offer endurance geometry
There are some rumors that Van nicholas frame was made by XACD, but I cant verify if its true
Check out spanner.org.uk
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02-17-16, 05:36 AM
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I read some from another forum have made custom Ti frame from China
Some reputable companies I know of are XACD and Waltly
Of course if you google it, there are some 'unperfect' frame, but hey, I once saw a Lynskey with cracked headtube..
Last time I ask, they sell $700 for frame only and about $1000 for custom geometry
As for Chinese carbon, they cant do custom geometry, and I dont know any of them offer endurance geometry
There are some rumors that Van nicholas frame was made by XACD, but I cant verify if its true
Check out spanner.org.uk
Some reputable companies I know of are XACD and Waltly
Of course if you google it, there are some 'unperfect' frame, but hey, I once saw a Lynskey with cracked headtube..
Last time I ask, they sell $700 for frame only and about $1000 for custom geometry
As for Chinese carbon, they cant do custom geometry, and I dont know any of them offer endurance geometry
There are some rumors that Van nicholas frame was made by XACD, but I cant verify if its true
Check out spanner.org.uk
02-17-16, 07:01 AM
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As for Chinese CF with endurance geometry ... those companies produce dozens of frames. I am sure we will see copies of bikes with "endurance" geometry soon if they are not already offered. I cannot see those companies ignoring any market segment (they already do both hardtail and F/S MTBs and fatbikes ... )
Thanks much for the Ti info.
02-17-16, 03:27 PM
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I personally wouldn't consider an Alibaba frame from a unknown vendor when a proven, well featured Taiwan-made frame from a domestic seller is available for $1,000 with a fork. Again, I've owned the BD Ti frame for a couple of years and it's really a great deal. Look no further, as far as I'm concerned.
02-18-16, 09:56 AM
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I read some from another forum have made custom Ti frame from China
Some reputable companies I know of are XACD and Waltly
Of course if you google it, there are some 'unperfect' frame, but hey, I once saw a Lynskey with cracked headtube..
Last time I ask, they sell $700 for frame only and about $1000 for custom geometry
As for Chinese carbon, they cant do custom geometry, and I dont know any of them offer endurance geometry
There are some rumors that Van nicholas frame was made by XACD, but I cant verify if its true
Check out spanner.org.uk
Some reputable companies I know of are XACD and Waltly
Of course if you google it, there are some 'unperfect' frame, but hey, I once saw a Lynskey with cracked headtube..
Last time I ask, they sell $700 for frame only and about $1000 for custom geometry
As for Chinese carbon, they cant do custom geometry, and I dont know any of them offer endurance geometry
There are some rumors that Van nicholas frame was made by XACD, but I cant verify if its true
Check out spanner.org.uk
02-18-16, 02:39 PM
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Dudes afraid of Chinese carbon and Ti frames....go buynfrom an American retailer to feel better, but that retailer buys their Carbon and Ti frames from (gasp) the same factories in China....lol
02-18-16, 03:03 PM
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These vast majority of Chinese Ti frames I've seen on ebay are basically priced the same as BikesDirect or similar US distributors. When I last looked, even the Chinese Ti frames were ~$1000, at that price I'd rather go with US distributor.
A $400 Ti frame from AliBaba, seems like you're likely to wind up with a Titanium frame that either is either "Titenium" (steel), straight gauge, basic Ti, or simply out $400.
A $400 Ti frame from AliBaba, seems like you're likely to wind up with a Titanium frame that either is either "Titenium" (steel), straight gauge, basic Ti, or simply out $400.
02-18-16, 03:52 PM
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These vast majority of Chinese Ti frames I've seen on ebay are basically priced the same as BikesDirect or similar US distributors. When I last looked, even the Chinese Ti frames were ~$1000, at that price I'd rather go with US distributor.
A $400 Ti frame from AliBaba, seems like you're likely to wind up with a Titanium frame that either is either "Titenium" (steel), straight gauge, basic Ti, or simply out $400.
A $400 Ti frame from AliBaba, seems like you're likely to wind up with a Titanium frame that either is either "Titenium" (steel), straight gauge, basic Ti, or simply out $400.
02-18-16, 04:10 PM
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A few months ago I bought a very nice used Litespeed frame for a reasonable price. Buying used TI frames is a viable alternative in my book. Might be worth thinking about. Sorry if this has been mentioned, I didn't make it through the entire thread.
02-19-16, 12:41 PM
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That is an interesting perspective on the different cultures. I've always thought that ORA Engineering in TW had an good white label catalog. Products - ORA ENGINNERING CO,. LTD. I've been unable to find a source for the components, just built up bikes from Bikes Direct.
Save Up to 60% Off Road Titanium framesets - Motobecane Le Champion Team Ti
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Well according to Occum, that's usually the right answer, but hey, let's all keep pretending that Chinese manufacturer's are the enemy when we're all riding and using Chinese **** every day..
It's silly, borderline xenophobic and impractical....
Also there's a fair amount of Western sneering to this whole mindset too that gets dressed up as other things when it's not....
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As I understand it, Sir William of Occam said the simplest hypothesis was most likely the correct one ... but he lived back in Newton's time. Had he ever heard of relativity .....
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The ti frame I bought last year from an American retailer was designed and built in America. I feel great.
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