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Old 02-24-16, 02:16 PM
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Saddle problems - Help :(

All my saddles thus far seem to hit the back of my legs/butt (at this point)


which seems to continually push me forward. Iíve tried tilting saddle nose my up, moving saddle forward but to avail. I tried 4 saddles now, one saddle curve up in the rear which made it even worse to stay sitting on cheek bones. Iíve tried moving saddle forward and tilting nose upwards but to no avail.

Question, would a saddle like this which is not as wide in the back possible help this problem?


Thanks,
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Have you measured your sitbones?
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A few questions:

1) Have you recently switched to a new bike/ frame?

2) Do you have scoliosis?

3) If not, are you able to hold a neutral back? If no, progressively tilt the nose down until you can achieve enough anterior pelvic tilt to reach a neutral spine.

Tilting the nose up will cause you to posteriorly tilt the pelvis and indirectly shorten the length of the spine. This will make it harder to reach your handlebars without the shoulders compensating. If your reach is too long, it will cause you to slide forward constantly.

If holding a neutral spine doesn't fix the issue, you'll need a shorter stem.
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Sounds like your reach is too long.
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Is your saddle too far forward? Are you hitting that part when you try to push back against it to get your legs in the right position?
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rpenmanparker raised a good question. What about saddle height? Too low or high effect how you sit on a saddle. As well, have you tried different type saddles? I've been down this road and found flat saddles fit me very well.
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Originally Posted by martslc View Post
All my saddles thus far seem to hit the back of my legs/butt (at this point)


which seems to continually push me forward. I’ve tried tilting saddle nose my up, moving saddle forward but to avail. I tried 4 saddles now, one saddle curve up in the rear which made it even worse to stay sitting on cheek bones. I’ve tried moving saddle forward and tilting nose upwards but to no avail.

Question, would a saddle like this which is not as wide in the back possible help this problem?


Thanks,
Marty
What am I missing.. if a saddle is uncomfortable from behind, then get a flat saddle -- eg. Fizik Arione or possible Antares.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
What am I missing.. if a saddle is uncomfortable from behind, then get a flat saddle -- eg. Fizik Arione or possible Antares.

Sy Reene help me understand because your not the only one suggesting to try a flat saddle. I guy I ride with suggest I try the Fizik Arione because of it's flatness. How will a flat saddle help with where it's hitting me? - Thanks
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs View Post
Sounds like your reach is too long.

I had this same problem so I dropped my seat post down a few MM's and it got better. I switched from a romin to performance bikes Pro XFR and that helped even more. I'm not saying that saddle will work for you because it varies so much, but that switching both could help.
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Fiziik Arione or Aliente are both great, I have each one and love them both. Prior to these I was a die hard Brooks fan. Get to a shop that can professionally fit you and has a saddle exchange program. Pretty sure this would solve the problem. Really hard for one to make valid suggestions without seeing your set up and position in the flesh.
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Originally Posted by lupy View Post
I had this same problem so I dropped my seat post down a few MM's and it got better. I switched from a romin to performance bikes Pro XFR and that helped even more. I'm not saying that saddle will work for you because it varies so much, but that switching both could help.
Acually I've tried that saddle and played with height, thanks for input!
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Fiziik Arione or Aliente are both great, I have each one and love them both.
On the other hand, I found them horrific. But to each his own, everybody is different, especially when it comes to saddles.
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On the other hand, I found them horrific. But to each his own, everybody is different, especially when it comes to saddles.
It is a very individual process, hence the need for a shop with a good saddle program.
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I guess I should have supplied more information.

(Iíve tried)
1. Moving saddle back and forth
2. Seat post offset, presently at zero
3. Saddle tilt
4. Saddle height
5. Saddle types, curved up in the back etc. (Havenít tried a flat saddle)
6. Stem height
7. Flipping stem over, presently tilting up but going to flip back around.


(Havenít tried)
1. Stem length
2. Flat saddles or more than 4 saddle types at this point.


Thanks for input from everyone. Let ask this, tell me what's the difference between changing the stem length or moving the saddle forward/backward as it relates to my problem. Not to how it relates to position over the bike in relation to the the crank/peddles etc.
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
It is a very individual process, hence the need for a shop with a good saddle program.

Yes agreed but...."a good saddle program" is the key and from my experiences most shops are ran by kids and blow smoke up your butt.
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Originally Posted by martslc View Post
All my saddles thus far seem to hit the back of my legs/butt (at this point) which seems to continually push me forward. I’ve tried tilting saddle nose my up, moving saddle forward but to avail. I tried 4 saddles now, one saddle curve up in the rear which made it even worse to stay sitting on cheek bones. I’ve tried moving saddle forward and tilting nose upwards but to no avail. Question, would a saddle like this which is not as wide in the back possible help this problem?
I wouldn't go narrower since you would probably put more force on your pereneum. Try to keep the same width (or verify by measuring the sit bones like @Lazyass said). But try to look for saddles with a longer nose and/or have the wide part further back if that makes sense. May be a little more difficult but doable if the LBS has a saddle swap program. Or maybe can swap with friends for a day or two.

Edit: @rpenmanparker has a good idea. Also verify that the saddle position is at least in the ballpark for you. If you haven't done so recently, then pay the $$ for a good bike fit.

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Originally Posted by ptempel View Post
wide part further back if that makes sense.
Please explain, this has been suggested to me by my friend, thus the Fizik Arione due to it's length and flatness. In my limited thinking if the wider part is further back you just have to keep scooting even further back to get you sit bones on the saddle. If not way to much pressure on your crotch. - Thanks
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Yes agreed but...."a good saddle program" is the key and from my experiences most shops are ran by kids and blow smoke up your butt.
We are blessed in south bend with a shop run by a true enthusiast and staffed by adult mechanics who know and love their work, a rare thing.
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Originally Posted by martslc View Post
Please explain, this has been suggested to me by my friend, thus the Fizik Arione due to it's length and flatness. In my limited thinking if the wider part is further back you just have to keep scooting even further back to get you sit bones on the saddle. If not way to much pressure on your crotch. - Thanks
I was thinking of a Fizik Airone as well. But didn't mention it since I wasn't sure if the shape would be different enough to matter. Worth a try if you can get one on loan. But don't forget about the saddle width. I like the looks of the Airone but doubt that it would be wide enough to be comfy for me.
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I was thinking of a Fizik Airone as well. But didn't mention it since I wasn't sure if the shape would be different enough to matter. Worth a try if you can get one on loan. But don't forget about the saddle width. I like the looks of the Airone but doubt that it would be wide enough to be comfy for me.
I rode Brooks for years convinced I had wide sit bones and narrower saddles would be a liability. Then I tried the Arione- been cycling in comfort ever since.
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I rode Brooks for years convinced I had wide sit bones and narrower saddles would be a liability. Then I tried the Arione- been cycling in comfort ever since.
Blasphemy!
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Originally Posted by lupy View Post
I had this same problem so I dropped my seat post down a few MM's and it got better.
Understood...the problem with addressing the problem this way is it's possible that by doing so your pelvis is no longer at the optimal height relative to the BB for your most efficient power generation. Yeah, it's a matter of what kind of riding you do, and what is or isn't important but...there's a lot of folks out there riding bikes that simply don't fit, and due to geometry most likely will be unable to ever fit, without some outlandish modifications...like ridiculous amounts of spacers & such...
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
It is a very individual process, hence the need for a shop with a good saddle program.

...and sometimes you can go a few thousand on a not cheap saddle before you say, "Wait a minute!!!"
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This is complicated really. It could also be my chamois since it's not a pressure/tingling and numbness type pain, just rawness kinda where my thighs meet my crotch. (Apex or the corner of the two surfaces). I have tried 3 different types of chamois but it all gets to be costly.
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Originally Posted by martslc View Post
I guess I should have supplied more information.

(I’ve tried)
1. Moving saddle back and forth
2. Seat post offset, presently at zero
3. Saddle tilt
4. Saddle height
5. Saddle types, curved up in the back etc. (Haven’t tried a flat saddle)
6. Stem height
7. Flipping stem over, presently tilting up but going to flip back around.


(Haven’t tried)
1. Stem length
2. Flat saddles or more than 4 saddle types at this point.


Thanks for input from everyone. Let ask this, tell me what's the difference between changing the stem length or moving the saddle forward/backward as it relates to my problem. Not to how it relates to position over the bike in relation to the the crank/peddles etc.
In short...there's only one best place for your pelvis and legs, both height & setback-wise. That is something you set and do not mess with. If you're fiddling with that because of reach issues the bike doesn't fit you.
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