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Campagnolo launch Potenza 11 Speed group

Old 03-17-16, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by redfooj View Post
false, we work the full 8 hours per day


but only for 7 months of the year
Italy averages 140 hours a month, Japan 160. 20 hours a month more. Japan gets 18.5 paid vacation days a year and Italy gets at least 30 so the difference gets even wider. Italy has some of the shortest work times in the world so we have to forgive Campy for being a little slower haha. I still prefer Campy over Shimano by far.
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I really don't understand the point of this. I LOVE my chorus, and ordered overseas it wasn't too pricey. But this new group has the same shifting mech as athena, rather than chorus and above, so... why wouldn't someone just buy athena? I know there are a few differences, but I don;t see them being major enough to warrant extra $.

Just buy chorus to get the ultrashift, or athena if you don't care about 3 up, 5 down.

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Old 03-17-16, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffleman View Post
I have always felt like Athena was the better comparison to Ultegra. Chorus seems like it is a tier above Ultegra but below Dura Ace.
Chorus to me is head and shoulders above DA9000. I have owned both.
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Originally Posted by redfooj View Post
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Shimano will never compete with the ergonomics of Campagnolo.
Sram on the other hand has a shot and will see moving forward.
Ergonomics is the only reason I prefer Campy to either Shimano or Sram.

A nuance for you guys that haven't dabbled with the new side button of Athena or new Potential-less. It sucks and thank goodness Campy's grandson is smart enough to keep the conventional side button for Chorus and Record which allows full stroke and multiple UP shifts DOWN the cassette with a single plunge of the button...called Ultrashift. The reason why it sucks is...if you wear a large glove and even aren't Colby Bryant, your fingers when they wrap the hoods for climbing crash right into the side button. Unbelievable Campy designed it this way...could have easily not bent the button over so far. Again, I do not have XL hands...just wear a large glove and have longer fingers than small hands Donald Trump.
As soon as the Athena shifters arrived I ordered a few months back when they changed them to mimic the EPS design...I wanted to try this button style. Mounted them briefly and then put them back in the box and sold them and bought Chorus 11s shifters.
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Old 03-17-16, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by garciawork View Post
I really don't understand the point of this. I LOVE my chorus, and ordered overseas it wasn't too pricey. But it has the same shifting mech as athena, rather than chorus and above, so... why wouldn't someone just buy athena? I know there are a few differences, but I don;t see them being major enough to warrant extra $.

Just buy chorus to get the ultrashift, or athena if you don't care about 3 up, 5 down.
Shifter internals are completely different between Chorus and Athena.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Shimano will never compete with the ergonomics of Campagnolo.
I hope they never try to copy Campagnolo hood shape. They'd go from best to worst feeling hoods on the market for my hands.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Shifter internals are completely different between Chorus and Athena.
Poor phrasing. I meant the new group has the same as athena, not that chorus does. I chose chorus, specifically because of ultrashift.
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As long as they don't get rid of the triple athena, I don't care what they do. I like the ergonomics of campagnolo, but I prefer triples. These days the only place I see it is athena, and I hope that doesn't disappear too. If I had the money and they made it, I'd love to get chorus triple for the mutiple shifts down the cassette, but I don't see that happening. I'd be better off getting 10 speed record shifters off eBay and staying with the rest of my 10 speed parts.
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Old 03-17-16, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Chorus to me is head and shoulders above DA9000. I have owned both.
Haven't ridden dura ace, but I REALLY liked my ultegra 6600, and thought that it had some of the best ergonomics imaginable. Then I felt a chorus 11 sp shifter... Most comfortable shifter I have ever felt. I will be trying the new mechanical shimano 685 (ultegra... basically) hydro's soon, we will see how they do comfort-wise.

The one time I rode SRAM, I thought they were terrible ergonomically. Not uncomfortable, but nowhere near my 6600 or chorus. That was several years ago, however.
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Group looks good. I ride mostly Campy, and I would buy it under the following conditions:
  • It was 10 speeds instead of 11. As if I'm ever going to pay $50 for replacement chains or $250 for a 11-speed chain pin peening tool? Ha. Never. BTW: I go through 4 chains per year.
  • Make the shifter internals Ultrashift. I need the multi-shift feature.
  • Change the downshift buttons stick straight out to the side like the older shifters. I have no problems with these.
  • Ultratorque crankset. The Shimano 2-bolt pinch design is fantastic, but Ultratorque is great as well.
  • 5-armcrankset. What is it with the butt-ugly 4-arm crankarms? I have a big stash of replacement rings. For my next build I'll buy a cheap Ultegra 6700 crankset off of Fleabay.
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Ultrashift is god.
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Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
I hope they never try to copy Campagnolo hood shape. They'd go from best to worst feeling hoods on the market for my hands.
Ergonomics aren't just shape. They include texture, radii, durometer i.e. force/deflection and of course using a brake lever to shift versus separate button and shift lever popular among Campy fans. To me, no comparison. Have owned both and ridden countless Shimano bikes.
The 'feel' of Campy shifters is incomparable including tactile feedback when shifting which is more of a snap for solid feedback when riding in the heat of the battle.

Btw, I believe in mixing groupsets. I ride both Shimano cranks and brakes on bikes with Campy derailleurs and shifters including a Shimano 11s wheelset with Ultegra cassette. I believe Shimano components to be utterly reliable. I just believe their shifters suck. They feel 'agricultural' compared to Campy. Shimano makes excellent derailleurs as well.

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Old 03-17-16, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer View Post
Group looks good. I ride mostly Campy, and I would buy it under the following conditions:
  • It was 10 speeds instead of 11. As if I'm ever going to pay $50 for replacement chains or $250 for a 11-speed chain pin peening tool? Ha. Never. BTW: I go through 4 chains per year.
  • Make the shifter internals Ultrashift. I need the multi-shift feature.
  • Change the downshift buttons stick straight out to the side like the older shifters. I have no problems with these.
  • Ultratorque crankset. The Shimano 2-bolt pinch design is fantastic, but Ultratorque is great as well.
  • 5-armcrankset. What is it with the butt-ugly 4-arm crankarms? I have a big stash of replacement rings. For my next build I'll buy a cheap Ultegra 6700 crankset off of Fleabay.
Re: Chains.

Use a KMC master link. Any old chain tool 10s+ can break a chain.
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread yet, but the reviews have the pricing at nearly double the price of what a complete Ultegra group goes for. How can it compete with ultegra, when it costs much more than ultegra?
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Re: Chains.

Use a KMC master link. Any old chain tool 10s+ can break a chain.
I said chain pin peening tool. Official Campagnolo procedure is to uninstall with a chain tool, and then use the official 11-speed chain peening tool to complete the new chain installation. 2 separate tools.

Using a KMC master link will void the warrantee and invalidate the fundamental laws of the universe.
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Originally Posted by redfooj View Post
Ultrashift is god.
Tall praise. Maybe you forgot an extra o...or maybe not.
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Originally Posted by KBentley57 View Post
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread yet, but the reviews have the pricing at nearly double the price of what a complete Ultegra group goes for. How can it compete with ultegra, when it costs much more than ultegra?
Pricing reports are as dumb as the reviews. If buying right, Chorus can be purchased close to Ultegra pricing. As I stated in another post, I prefer Chorus to DA.

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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Ergonomics aren't just shape. They include texture, radii, durometer i.e. force/deflection and of course using a brake lever to shift versus separate button and shift lever popular among Campy fans. To me, no comparison. Have owned both and ridden countless Shimano bikes.
The 'feel' of Campy shifters is incomparable including tactile feedback when shifting which is more of a snap for solid feedback when riding in the heat of the battle.
Again, for my hands, Shimano hoods from the last two generations simply blow Campagnolo out of the water. They can tweak the durometer and texutre all they like, if the shape doesn't work, it won't be comfortable. Brake levers, they are shaped different, but it didn't make a noticeable functional difference for me. Shift levers, Campagnolo is usable but awkward; Shimano is bordering on too smooth but otherwise excellent. I agree with you, no comparison. I'm glad that there is an option on the market that works for you, but I sure hope Shimano never tries to copy it.

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Originally Posted by KBentley57 View Post
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread yet, but the reviews have the pricing at nearly double the price of what a complete Ultegra group goes for. How can it compete with ultegra, when it costs much more than ultegra?
I think we have to wait and see on this. I'm sure the Potenza will be available for less than the current 'suggested retail", but how much less remains to be seen. But I think certainly it won't be 2x the cost of Ultegra.
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Admittedly, I only really look for shimano's group pricing to make sure I don't miss a great deal, but I've never seen Chorus even close to Ultegra's pricing. If you can show me where, I'd be curious to check it out.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer View Post
I said chain pin peening tool. Official Campagnolo procedure is to uninstall with a chain tool, and then use the official 11-speed chain peening tool to complete the new chain installation. 2 separate tools.

Using a KMC master link will void the warranty and invalidate the fundamental laws of the universe.
While I am sure you are correct regarding the warranty... I can honestly say I would never consider attempting to file a warranty claim on a chain. Masterlinks all day!
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Chorus to me is head and shoulders above DA9000. I have owned both.
It really is hard to say because they are apples and oranges. I personally find Athena better than Ultegra. I have had both of those and find them both to be excellent but Athena just seems a little more to my desire. It is probably the shape of the hoods. It really is hard to beat Campy hoods.
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I recently purchased a Nuovo Record equipped bike. Dig it.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Re: Chains.

Use a KMC master link. Any old chain tool 10s+ can break a chain.
A 1/8 inch KMC 710 track chain will break a cheap chain tool.
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Originally Posted by garciawork View Post
Poor phrasing. I meant the new group has the same as athena, not that chorus does. I chose chorus, specifically because of ultrashift.
As was said, Potenza is completely different internally from either Athena or Chorus, but I think what you're trying to say is that the shifter function is the same as Powershift in terms of not being able to dump multiple gears with a single lever throw.
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