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Campagnolo launch Potenza 11 Speed group

Old 03-16-16, 07:32 PM
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Campagnolo launch Potenza 11 Speed group

Campagnolo launch Potenza 11 Speed group pitched against Shimano Ultegra | Cyclingnews.com
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Old 03-17-16, 03:12 AM
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I like that it's available with a silver finish; if I'd known it was coming out, I would have waited to put my latest bike together. I shied away from all-shiny Athena as inappropriate for the Propel, but this would have been perfect.
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I read about it in Velo News, looks exciting although the materials and specs are more a 105 comparison. Chorus is better aligned with Ultegra.
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Originally Posted by ThinLine View Post
I read about it in Velo News, looks exciting although the materials and specs are more a 105 comparison. Chorus is better aligned with Ultegra.
Potenza groupset weight = 2,303g. Ultegra is 2,294g. 9g difference. 105 groupset is over 2600g so not sure why you'd say this. Chorus btw is about 2100g.
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Go Campy!

I've been riding it for 30+ years and am afraid that it will be drowned by the Shimano juggernaut.
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I ride Campy on both my road bikes and I will never own this groupset. More expensive than Ultegra and excepting shifter ergonomics...singular reason I ride Campy....don't believe Ultegra can be be matched. 105 may even be better...or Force 22. Campy I believe will struggle in the lower end market. Yes, they may want and even need this market, but a duck out of water...quite apparent by initial reviews.

That said, if buying right which I always have...either on ebay or ordering from the UK shipped to US, Campy Chorus is not expensive. Also Campy 10s is quite cost effective...and I run mine with a 105 11s crank...great bang for buck crank. No crappy PowerTorque Campy crank for me. This groupset has no Potenza for me...uglier crank than Ultegra as well...as in mud fence ugly...only with crappy press fit tapered spline fitment which Campy finally figured out how to put a self extractor on versus paying needlessly for a special tool aka Athena PowerTorque which I presume will be updated.

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I have to believe the actual price will be lower. Guess we'll see.
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I'll admit it isn't exactly a pretty crank, but few are. I'm wondering what others find so offensive. In isolation, I much prefer the Athena crank in silver finish, but this design seems more harmonious with the design of today's sculpted frames. By comparison, this brand's all-black groups have little or no aesthetic merit.
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They should have just gradually lowered the price of Chorus to NEARLY match Ultegra even if it were just for the OEM market. This new group with such a trashy look just debases the brand.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
They should have just gradually lowered the price of Chorus to NEARLY match Ultegra even if it were just for the OEM market. This new group with such a trashy look just debases the brand.
At least they made the NDS crankarm self extracting, and you no longer need a $150 tool to remove and service a $100 crankset. Also they've gone to using the longer lever-arm FD of Chorus, with the higher-chain-wrap RD-so heopfully it shifts a bit better.


Looks? Well, it is the same exact aesthetic of Chorus and up, just in alloy and not CF.
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So this is just Athena uglied up then? And they're sticking with the Powertorque BB? Did someone at Campagnolo HQ find out that Athena is a term to describe larger lady cyclists, and decide that being Italian, that really wasn't their thing?
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Not a great review.

First Ride: Campagnolo Potenza group - VeloNews.com
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Not a surprise that VeloNews doesn't like anything Campagnolo. Seems like others do:

Road Bike Action | Campagnolo?s Gran Canaria Surprise

Campagnolo Potenza 11 Speed groupset and Shamal Ultra wheelset: first look - BikeRadar

First Look: Campagnolo Potenza | Bicycling
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
They should have just gradually lowered the price of Chorus to NEARLY match Ultegra even if it were just for the OEM market. This new group with such a trashy look just debases the brand.
Debased the brand says it well.
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Reviews are almost meaningless. Depends on who is doing who behind the scenes. No honest shake...provided the guys writing the reviews even have a clue.
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Performance sounds nice, but it's not a nice looking group set, and some of the materials choices (e.g. plastic derailleur bits and pulley bushings) seem cheap and may not age well. Straight arm cranks are also out of keeping with design trends.

I like that it shifts well, but for the dollars, the lighter, better looking, and less-expensive Athena 11spd Carbon is fine for me (though pulling the crank is a PITA).
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I ride Campy on both my road bikes and I will never own this groupset. More expensive than Ultegra and excepting shifter ergonomics...singular reason I ride Campy....don't believe Ultegra can be be matched. 105 may even be better...or Force 22. Campy I believe will struggle in the lower end market. Yes, they may want and even need this market, but a duck out of water...quite apparent by initial reviews.

That said, if buying right which I always have...either on ebay or ordering from the UK shipped to US, Campy Chorus is not expensive. Also Campy 10s is quite cost effective...and I run mine with a 105 11s crank...great bang for buck crank. No crappy PowerTorque Campy crank for me. This groupset has no Potenza for me...uglier crank than Ultegra as well...as in mud fence ugly...only with crappy press fit tapered spline fitment which Campy finally figured out how to put a self extractor on versus paying needlessly for a special tool aka Athena PowerTorque which I presume will be updated.
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Originally Posted by ThinLine View Post
I read about it in Velo News, looks exciting although the materials and specs are more a 105 comparison. Chorus is better aligned with Ultegra.
I have always felt like Athena was the better comparison to Ultegra. Chorus seems like it is a tier above Ultegra but below Dura Ace.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
They should have just gradually lowered the price of Chorus to NEARLY match Ultegra even if it were just for the OEM market. This new group with such a trashy look just debases the brand.
This confuses me. Chorus weight is closer to DuraAce (100g heavier) than it is to Ultegra (200g lighter). Why should the Chorus price be lowered to match a lesser product? Weight is the only meaningful metric for high end groups that is not entirely subjective.

Reviews for the latest gen Shimano stuff indicate that Ultegra 6800 has been greatly devalued by the introduction of 105 5800. So should the Chorus price be lowered to match 105?

People on this forum, IMO, do a crap job of comparing groupsets based on this "how far from the top" are they mentality. Having more offerings leads to more stupid comparisons. Veloce is 4th or 5th from the top (depending on whether you count Centaur), so it should be compared to Sora or Claris. Wow, its way more expensive than Sora, so it must be overpriced. That is a silly comparison, and I would (and have) chosen Veloce over 105 every time.
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Go Campy!

I've been riding it for 30+ years and am afraid that it will be drowned by the Shimano juggernaut.
They could improve their customer service instead of making a product to fill a gap no one asked for. In my latest build, I went with Campagnolo Athena 11 and I went to all the usual UK online shops looking for it, and they never had it in stock. I asked when they would restock, and the unanimous answer was "we don't know, Campagnolo doesn't tell us." They need to get with the times. Italy needs to get with the times, actually. This whole Italian build I'm doing has been a pain because Deda, De Rosa, and Campagnolo just don't seem to care much.
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They could improve their customer service instead of making a product to fill a gap no one asked for. In my latest build, I went with Campagnolo Athena 11 and I went to all the usual UK online shops looking for it, and they never had it in stock. I asked when they would restock, and the unanimous answer was "we don't know, Campagnolo doesn't tell us." They need to get with the times. Italy needs to get with the times, actually. This whole Italian build I'm doing has been a pain because Deda, De Rosa, and Campagnolo just don't seem to care much.
Well in Europe people work like 4 hours a day so they'll probably be a little slower than Shimano in Japan.
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Well in Europe people work like 4 hours a day so they'll probably be a little slower than Shimano in Japan.
false, we work the full 8 hours per day


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The last time Campagnolo tried to go head-to-head with Shimano at the midlevel they got their ass handed back to them on a platter and almost went belly-up. Let's hope that doesn't happen again.
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