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Best Car for Bike Owners?

Old 04-07-18, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I am the OP and started this thread in March 2016, almost two years ago.

At that time it was determined that the Honda Element is, hands down and by a large margin, the absolute best car for bike owners.

Two years have gone by and I think we need a 2018 version of the thread...


-Tim-
For my cycling needs, the best car is an Audi A8L fitted with a SeaSucker Talon.

I had an '05 until recently, and with its capacious back seat and tinted windows, changing out of ride gear was a breeze. If I didn't want the bike on the roof, I could fit it in the back seat with front wheel off. That's about all I really need from a car with regards to cycling. That the A8 is a stunningly competent and deeply satisfying ride is icing from a cycling perspective.

I went from that to my first SUV, a '16 Ford Edge Sport. Nicely appointed and plenty powerful, it was really too tall to use the SeaSucker on, so I had to fold down a seat anytime I wanted to put a bike in. I don't need to carry a bike often, or far, so that got annoying, but more than that, it just wasn't as sporting as I wanted it to be.

Now I'm onto an '18 Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Sport, which is truly a blast to drive, but pretty weak insofar as bike duty. It really offers nothing of particular interest to me as cyclist. Still, I'll make do for the duration of my 2yr lease...probably. It makes taking my bike where I need to go a lot of fun!

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Old 04-08-18, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by redfooj View Post
that's never going to work. get a hitch or a trunk mounted rack - though these will scratch, even the saris bones
Not quite the same thing, but someone delivered my S1 for me from San Antonio to Austin inside a 911 Turbo Cabriolet...
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Not quite the same thing, but someone delivered my S1 for me from San Antonio to Austin inside a 911 Turbo Cabriolet...
Yes, that’s why I asked. If the bike is taken apart say to the point where’s it’s a bare frame. I would believe it could fit in even the smallest of cars aka 2016+ Miata. Guess I’ll have to try it out when I finally pull the trigger on one
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Rinse, repeat.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post


Rinse, repeat.
Approaching 10 years out of production, there is not much “repeating” to do there. Tme to move on.

My brother-in-law in Boulder has an AWD Element, and it’s in good shape. The utility aspect is impressive, particularly for those who beat the crap out of their vehicles and who don’t care at all about the driving experience.

I don’t think those traits have anything to do with road cycling, however, so I’d recommend the Ford Transit Connect as a modern alternative. They drive really well, can be trimmed out nicely, have a host of saftey features, are very flexible and capacious, and have powerful, efficient engines. Really, they’re worth taking a look at for anyone wanting full interior bike carry.


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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Not quite the same thing, but someone delivered my S1 for me from San Antonio to Austin inside a 911 Turbo Cabriolet...
Originally Posted by Karman321 View Post
Yes, that’s why I asked. If the bike is taken apart say to the point where’s it’s a bare frame. I would believe it could fit in even the smallest of cars aka 2016+ Miata. Guess I’ll have to try it out when I finally pull the trigger on one
the porsche cabriolet is a 2+2 configuration, so it has the full width of the rear seats to make this possible




in the miata you'll only have the front cabin to content with the gangly fork and crankset/pedals and rear mech... with with the seatpost pushed all fo the way in... and where will the wheelset be stashed...
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
Approaching 10 years out of production, there is not much “repeating” to do there. Time to move on.
The "used" aspect was intentional. However, even when it was new this is not a vehicle you want to spend a whole lot of money on.

My brother-in-law in Boulder has an AWD Element, and it’s in good shape. The utility aspect is impressive, particularly for those who beat the crap out of their vehicles and who don’t care at all about the driving experience.
Then he gets it.
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Originally Posted by redfooj View Post
the porsche cabriolet is a 2+2 configuration, so it has the full width of the rear seats to make this possible




in the miata you'll only have the front cabin to content with the gangly fork and crankset/pedals and rear mech... with with the seatpost pushed all fo the way in... and where will the wheelset be stashed...
In the trunk? I checked one out, didn’t have my road bike with me. But the trunk can definitely fit a wheelset. Want to know if it can fit a bare frame. Will have to check myself. However for contribution to this thread I vote for the Honda Fit, big cargo for a small car with the seats folding down flat.
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The Pro Team support cars , get replaced occasionally, get one of those, bike racks and all..
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
Approaching 10 years out of production, there is not much “repeating” to do there. Tme to move on.

My brother-in-law in Boulder has an AWD Element, and it’s in good shape. The utility aspect is impressive, particularly for those who beat the crap out of their vehicles and who don’t care at all about the driving experience.

I don’t think those traits have anything to do with road cycling, however, so I’d recommend the Ford Transit Connect as a modern alternative. They drive really well, can be trimmed out nicely, have a host of saftey features, are very flexible and capacious, and have powerful, efficient engines. Really, they’re worth taking a look at for anyone wanting full interior bike carry.

True, but you must not have noticed the reaction when I mentioned a minivan previously. Apparently some kind of low T phobia causes the minivan to be unacceptable.

Now if they jacked that Transit up on some 20" mud tires, shoved a V8 in it, and called it a Monster Utility Vehicle they'd sell a crap ton of them to the "can't drive no emasculating minivan" crowd.

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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
True, but you must not have noticed the reaction when I mentioned a minivan previously. Apparently some kind of low T phobia causes the minivan to be unaccpetable.

Now it they jacked that Transit up on some 20" mud tires, shoved it V8 in it, and called it a Monster Utility Vehicle they'd sell a crap ton of them to the "can't drive no emascualting minivan" crowd.
Indeed, and our weird hang-ups prevent us from getting some pretty cool kit, especially station wagons (maybe if we called them 'estate cars'?) but certainly in the mini-van segment as well. I almost certainly would have bought a Ford S-Max rather than a Flex back when I did that. I've seen some pretty pimped-out S-Max in the UK...

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Indeed, and our weird hang-ups prevent us from getting some pretty cool kit, especially station wagons (maybe if we called them 'estate cars'?) but certainly in the mini-van segment as well. I almost certainly would have bought a Ford S-Max rather than a Flex back when I did that. I've seen some pretty pimped-out S-Max in the UK...

Sporty wagons are very popular over here in Europe. I don't understand why they don't sell in the US. They are very functional and some of them look great...
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True, but you must not have noticed the reaction when I mentioned a minivan previously. Apparently some kind of low T phobia causes the minivan to be unacceptable.
What did you expect? Minivans are pretty much faux pas nowadays. Minivans are out, crossover/SUVs are in.

Now it they jacked that Transit up on some 20" mud tires, shoved it V8 in it, and called it a Monster Utility Vehicle they'd sell a crap ton of them to the "can't drive no emasculating minivan" crowd.
Sounds like 1980s retro. Even that ship has sailed.
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Sporty wagons are very popular over here in Europe. I don't understand why they don't sell in the US. They are very functional and some of them look great...
The average American's wide load?


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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
What did you expect? Minivans are pretty much faux pas nowadays. Minivans are out, crossover/SUVs are in.
Yes I know. The true utility a minivan provides is a faux pas, while the faux utility a SUV provides is de rigueur.
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Sporty wagons are very popular over here in Europe. I don't understand why they don't sell in the US. They are very functional and some of them look great...
An Audi RS4 avant is a sporty wagon, that POS Ford is not.
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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
True, but you must not have noticed the reaction when I mentioned a minivan previously. Apparently some kind of low T phobia causes the minivan to be unacceptable.

Now if they jacked that Transit up on some 20" mud tires, shoved a V8 in it, and called it a Monster Utility Vehicle they'd sell a crap ton of them to the "can't drive no emasculating minivan" crowd.
I have an Element. It is essentially a repackaged minivan... low floor, high ceiling albeit a very short wheelbase one with funny doors.
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And the current Pathfinder and Pilot are minivans with swinging rear doors. And my GX460 provides the true utility of being able to hold three bikes inside, vertically and securely and out of the elements.
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Is the short wheelbase the reason the Element rides and drives so badly? Well, there are probably a hundred reasons. Still, as bad as it is, our Element is perfect for us for the time being, the big one being not wanting to buy another vehicle now. My wife regularly hauls huge things in it for her house renovation project.
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Originally Posted by jitteringjr View Post
An Audi RS4 avant is a sporty wagon, that POS Ford is not.
Depends on your tastes I suppose...I like the Audi but wouldn’t pay the purchase price or the high maintainence costs to own it...I don’t purchase status symbol type vehicles...wouldn’t buy that Ford either but I like the small wagon type vehicles...
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Audi is pretty much the best, IMO. I had a ‘99 A6 Avant which I loved, and which is the perfect size for a wagon, again, IMO. A Cadillac CTS-V wagon would also be dope to have. Ford can make hot vehicles, and their quality is also very good; I have a ‘16 Edge Sport which throws down a healthy 320hp, but needs an RS-type handling treatment to be really good. I have no doubt that if Ford wanted to make a hot wagon it would also be good, but really, the company seems adrift right now, with no real focus— forgive the pun— outside of trucks. I’d have no qualms about getting another, but they have nothing of interest to me in between a van and Focus RS, which is how I wound up in the Edge. Lots to like, but the thing is just too big for my preferences, so I gave it to my wife after about 18 months and got the Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Sport Q4, which is small, but handles a treat! I hope Alfa applies all that goodness to a slightly larger sedan, though, and if they put the Quadrifoglio engine it, perhaps de-tuned to around 400hp and could keep the price sub- $60k, I’d be over the moon! Throw a SeaSucker on that, and I’d be a happy cyclist.
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Sporty wagons rock, even if they're not hard-core sporty. While on vacation over spring break, I drove three different vehicles - all of them were a reminder of just how competently my VW Sportwagen handles (and it has more usable cargo room than a good number of SUVs).
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You must have been the better driver, because a 911 or Cayman in the hands of a talented driver will outperform a Macan.

Depends on the course and the trim level. On the track, over time the weight of the Macan is going to consume brakes and tires.

But over a short distance and a course that isn't too tight, i'll take my chances in a Macan Turbo versus a base Cayman, and wouldn't be giving much handicap to a a base 911.

FWIW, I own a 911S, a base boxster, a BoxsterS and a Macan Turbo, so I've got some perspective.

No doubt a Cayman or a 911 is a better sports car than a Macan.

But my point is that a Macan is an amazing performer for a vehicle that can haul 5 people and their luggage.
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Sporty wagons are very popular over here in Europe. I don't understand why they don't sell in the US. They are very functional and some of them look great...
Totally agree that sports wagons, (Shooting brakes) are great, and are the more appropriate vehicle for the actual needs of most people who buy SUV's in the US. We used to have a BMW 525 wagon which we loved.

If you look at it, many sports wagons haul more cargo, have bettter performance, and better fuel economy than comparable sized SUV's.

The most fundamental reason that SUV's are more popular than wagon's in US is regulatory. Wagons count as cars in fuel economy regs; SUV's as trucks. So it's in the manufacturer's interest to push SUV's, not wagons.

Given that incentive, Manufacturers have pushed SUV's and sold the public on a perceived safety advantage from the higher seating position, which in reality increases rollover risk and is less safe.

If you want to haul stuff, and never go on anything more narly than a gravel road, a wagon is the better choice. And US regulations distort that.
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sporty wagons rock, even if they're not hard-core sporty. While on vacation over spring break, i drove three different vehicles - all of them were a reminder of just how competently my vw sportwagen handles (and it has more usable cargo room than a good number of suvs).
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