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Of cours, you have to sync the carbs everyday to keep it from emitting a lot of crap.

They're using a dollar figure for creation as the metric for energy cost? Shouldn't this be measured in something like an energy metric / e.g. joules? I don't know, I'm not part of the engineer club.

How-to Guide To Modify Trucks For Coal Rolling | The Daily Caller

Leaving this here for Topslop. Seems like this is up your alley :thumb:

Every car I've ever owned had a battery.

#justsaying

Don't forget that the just announced Tesla will retail for approximately $35,000. That is a lot more than you can buy some used wheels to roll down the highway in, but it is nearly dead on for the average cost of new cars in the US these days. Then there is the Volt for much less money. And electric cars will be available used in good supply before too long. Figuring in the fuel savings, your argument really won't be very convincing for much longer, even for someone only interested in the total money outlay.

As far as making consumer goods out of other sources beside fossil carbon ones, if you know how to do it, please let me know.

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Electric cars are definitely not where they need to be and it's not a direct replacement for fossil fuel cars, but as Robert said it's a start. Everything has to start somewhere.

If anything, I think the development of electric cars has surpassed the development of clean energy and that's the main downfall of electric cars as they are. Charging your car with energy made by burning lots and lots of fossil fuels defeats the purpose. If the energy were from solar and wind, it wouldn't be seen that way.

I hate that I just spent a few minutes looking through articles and forum posts about "rolling coal". The people that do that crap... It's just next level stupidity.

Fibber.

http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/images/handcrank.jpg

Riddle me this: If I'm a cyclist, and I modify a truck to roll coal on other cyclists.. which forum do I post on?

I've never been a truck guy, I value the ride quality and ultimately I love speed over 'riding up high'. Heavy, big, fast sedans tho... :thumb:

If rolling coal is the next level of stupidity, then what level of stupidity is searching the internet for articles on rolling coal just to taunt a friend?

I didn't bother to look, but I do know that I've been dusted in soot a couple times from coal rollers so I assume it must be an amusement for them to smoke cyclists.

I'll be in line to pick up a used electric car provided it's dirt cheap.. mostly because of less maintenance requirements. Hey, there's a reason I'm betting ON Tesla and not a cheap coal energy stock.. so then we switch over to electric and that gives us what, another 30-40 years to build cheap cell phones until we run into the same problem? Or are we looking at 300-400 because we use so much less oil for mfg when compared to fueling personal vehicles?

That's Robert.

The V8 biturbo is lighter and faster.

I think the V12's are going the way of dinosaurs so I'd prioritize owning or driving one for a short time at least first before going V8 biturbo. #in a perfect world

Yeah, my first car had a battery.

It's the fun kind of stupid, not the scary kind.

With all the rednecks out in my area, I'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more often. In fact, I can only recall a single time I've even seen it in person. We were on a group road/gravel ride on some back roads and on one section where we had to do a quick right-left to cross a main road, a truck going down the main road decided he needed to do it, but we were still a good bit away. So it ended up being more like a chained dog barking at you from his yard. Those people are pathetic.

While we're trying to get the thread locked anyway, what is the deal with coal mining towns? They like to hold politicians to the flames if they don't get their way, but don't they realize we have to move away from that? Do they really want their town to rely solely on the coal industry 100 years from now? Don't they see the short sightedness there?

I've been smoked probably 5-6 times on country roads here. They also usually seem to have train horns fitted to their dorkmobiles and that honestly is what I think is far more dangerous, I've actually swerved off the road before thanks to being so startled by a train horn going off over my left shoulder.

Should have been wearing earbuds!

Yesterday morning I was riding and I heard the telltale sound of a big diesel pickup revving up behind me. He came by, of course it had the enormous side pipe and a black puff came out, but then he abruptly stopped. I couldn't figure why he didn't follow through, but then I saw a cop tucked behind a tree a hundred yards up the road.

I almost wish he'd actually smoked me, because (assuming the cop was watching or cared) it would be so satisfying to see the jerk get a ticket.

I'm driving to Huntington, West Virginia tonight. I'll go ask them for you.

Not sure what you're saying anymore. Obviously I am not proposing that (as far as I know, I was not 'proposing' anything.) I thought you were talking about energy generation as a whole, not transportation particularly:

Electricity from non fossil-fuel sources and centralization don't really go hand in hand unless you are speaking of nuclear or happen to have a massive waterfall laying around.

Such as? Because if your idea of clean is wind and solar, then centralized just doesn't work, or at least people who suggest fossil-fuel-free energy generation scenarios don't think so.

I'm not necessarily sure it's short sightedness, it's probably workers without education or opportunity getting 'locked in' to the job. If you gave money, education, and opportunity to the people there.. I'm not positive it would work out because you'd have to break the local culture first, and then these people wouldn't have the community or network to help them even do well with the appropriate chance.

Then you've got people who just aren't smart as in the hardware will never get to the level that modern competitive society is demanding. America is not a forgiving place to those who are less mentally capable just about as much as it is not forgiving to those born without some financial help.