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Emonda vs SuperSix vs TCR vs Tarmac--need some help

Old 05-02-16, 08:03 PM
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Emonda vs SuperSix vs TCR vs Tarmac--need some help

Hey guys,

I'm looking for a race geomatry road bike and and the four listed above are what I'm looking at. So far I rode the Emonda SLR and Supersix and plan on testing the Tarmac and TCR later in the week. It was hard comparing the two bikes I rode since they were different sizes. I don't race but do some really competitive group rides 3-4 times a week. Any input would be appreciate it.
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Test ride them all. The right one should be obvious.

If not, test ride something cheaper and save some dough.
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Originally Posted by HCB View Post
It was hard comparing the two bikes I rode since they were different sizes.
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How can you test ride a bike when it's not the right size for you?
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Good selection. Be thorough. Make sure to test your right size in each bike.
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2 View Post
How can you test ride a bike when it's not the right size for you?
Because the right wasn't available.
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Because the right wasn't available.
That's like riding a SLR when you're looking at a SL. It's not going to give you a accurate comparison.
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Is this the part where we all pick our favorites and insist the other options are obviously terrible?

Seriously though, those are all pretty equal level bikes for obvious reasons. I would advise to to start a list of negatives for each bike. Maybe look at the pros if the cons aren't evident enough, but you might find you like one over the other based on a purely subjective reasoning or experience. Example: I'm not a huge fan of BB30 cranks (the cranks, not the pressfit standard), so the Cannondale gets a negative on the list for me. I don't like how Specialized sues everyone. It doesn't mean it's not a good bike, but it reason enough. Etc. Your list will look entirely different.
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Originally Posted by HCB View Post
Because the right wasn't available.
Then you didn't test ride the bike, did you? If you want to know whether you would like a bike brand/model you have simply got to find it in your right size. Othwerwise, don't bother at all, just write it off due to unavailability.
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Find the right size, you really havent test rode them unless you do. Fit has a lot to do with how a bike feels.
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Not even sure why a shop would send you on a 'test ride' on the wrong size. Maybe cross that one off the list because it's coming from a poor shop. Which brings me to my question: Which shop do you like best? Probably best to buy from them. Otherwise go for the nicer looking one.
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The Tarmac and Emonda would be my top two choices. I always wanted a S-Works Tarmac and if I had not found one, I probably would have looked at the Emonda. I'll tell you this form my experience on the Tarmac. Caveat- I have tubeless tires (Schwalbe Pro One) and carbon rims (NOX) but the ride on smoother roads and all MUPs (as long as no big gaps/cracks) the ride is smoother than my SL4 Roubaix (not tubeless, Vred Fortezza Tricomp tires...smoother than the Conti 4000s) but it is a quicker and more nimble bike. I am constantly amazed by how smooth it is. When the 2"-3" gaps show up, it is evident that there is less vertical flex than my Roubaix but overall, it is a smoother ride. I have a friend who rides an Emonda and it is the first road bike he has raved about, and he has owned 8-10 nice bikes. His bike is too small for me to ride though. So I can definitely recommend the Tarmac with experience and I'm pretty confident that the Emonda is a fast and fun bike. Could you ride a couple? If not, I think you will be happy with either one. I initially stayed away from the Tarmac thinking it would be too harsh. My setup isn't that.
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Not even sure why a shop would send you on a 'test ride' on the wrong size. Maybe cross that one off the list because it's coming from a poor shop. Which brings me to my question: Which shop do you like best? Probably best to buy from them. Otherwise go for the nicer looking one.
Because they need to move merchandise they've invested in. Most of the LBS's did this to me as well. Trying to fit me to a wrong size. One in particular was good to me, they said they didnt have a size for me to test ride but they could bring it in for a $50 refundable deposit. ($50 is mostly to get me in the door to test ride but would refund if I didn't buy it).
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I looked at all these bikes, and being the accountant that I am I put the geometries into a spreadsheet to compare. The Evo and the Tarmac (at least in my size, 52cm) have virtually identical geometry. About the only difference is that the Dale's toptube and reach are each a whole 2mm longer than the Tarmac.

But the Emonda SL is a different animal. In H2 fit (your only option unless you $$$ up to an SLR), the fit is more upright, with the stack and reach being about the same as the same size Roubaix. The Emonda's headtube is 14cm vs. 14.5 on a Roubaix. Both the Tarmac and Evo have a 12cm headtube (again comparing size 52's).

Whether this is a positive or negative to any of the bikes mentioned is up to you. But I thought it was worth mentioning.

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Get the one you think looks coolest....
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Originally Posted by MCODave View Post
I looked at all these bikes, and being the accountant that I am I put the geometries into a spreadsheet to compare. The Evo and the Tarmac (at least in my size, 52cm) have virtually identical geometry. About the only difference is that the Dale's toptube and reach are each a whole 2mm longer than the Tarmac.

But the Emonda SL is a different animal. In H2 fit (your only option unless you $$$ up to an SLR), the fit is more upright, with the stack and reach being about the same as the same size Roubaix. The Emonda's headtube is 14cm vs. 14.5 on a Roubaix. Both the Tarmac and Evo have a 12cm headtube (again comparing size 52's).

Whether this is a positive or negative to any of the bikes mentioned is up to you. But I thought it was worth mentioning.
Sounds like you need a "fit" to see which geometry is best. Otherwise they are just numbers on a page.
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels View Post
Is this the part where we all pick our favorites and insist the other options are obviously terrible?
I thought this was the part where we start listing brands like Scott, BMC, Jamis, Cervello, and tell him he needs to look at even MORE choices...AND that if he buys a carbon bike it will explode?


Seriously, My real advice is:
-don't buy a bike that expensive without test riding one in your size.
-Consider which shop you want to work with for the next few years.
-See which one feels the best.
-As mentioned, write down the negatives of each one, specifically the WORST thing about each one, and see which of those you can live with and which you can't.
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2 View Post
Sounds like you need a "fit" to see which geometry is best. Otherwise they are just numbers on a page.
Me? I'm just trying to help a guy out. I've been riding since the (first) Reagan administration, I got my fit pretty figured out.

My main motivation for the spreadsheet was to compare these new bikes with the bike I've been riding since 2003. Stack and reach weren't even published back then. I have never owned a bike with endurance geometry, a sloping top tube or compact gearing, but I appreciate that these things can be useful. That's why I said it was up to the OP what to do with the information.
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Originally Posted by MCODave View Post
That's why I said it was up to the OP what to do with the information.
Misunderstood...

My LBS includes a fit with every bike sold. The more expensive the more intense the fit. For a sub $1000 you get a few simple measurements and adjustments. And for an expensive bike you get a complete Guru fit.
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