Albuterol, the [not so] PED
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oh, and btw. I was talking about taking in 3cc of Albutterol with an atomizer for like 25 minutes. Not just quick mist from an inhaler.
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Seriously, I'm just foolin' around. It could be a better dispenser, even a better powder formulation. It isn't right of me to suggest that one brand isn't better than another just because the active ingredients are the same. If it does a better job for you, that's good enough reason to keep using it. Just seems funny...
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They're pretty expensive regardless of whatever insurance you've got too so it's usually the case that I show up, ask for 10, get 1 full size and a handful of 2-3 small sample ones, then the small ones end up scattered and old and or working at 50% of their capacity, much like my lungs.
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I am on a daily controller medication (Singulair) as well as Albuterol. In my case it is ProAir HFA. I do tend to take a prophylactic dose before a ride, and will take additional doses as needed on longer rides, depending on air quality and temperature. I am on Zyrtec for seasonal allergies as well, and my breathing is definitely worse during certain times of the year- especially when the ragweed and other nasties are airborne in the early fall. The nebulizer that the OP is using gets the albuterol vapors (it is a liquid, not a powder)much deeper into the lungs, and the treatments are longer so it really gets into the tissue. As for cost, I get mine through Express Scripts, and the inhalers are $16 for a 90 day supply (3 inhalers). Costs vary, depending on who your insurer is.
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I am on a daily controller medication (Singulair) as well as Albuterol. In my case it is ProAir HFA. I do tend to take a prophylactic dose before a ride, and will take additional doses as needed on longer rides, depending on air quality and temperature. I am on Zyrtec for seasonal allergies as well, and my breathing is definitely worse during certain times of the year- especially when the ragweed and other nasties are airborne in the early fall. The nebulizer that the OP is using gets the albuterol vapors (it is a liquid, not a powder)much deeper into the lungs, and the treatments are longer so it really gets into the tissue. As for cost, I get mine through Express Scripts, and the inhalers are $16 for a 90 day supply (3 inhalers). Costs vary, depending on who your insurer is.
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Have you ridden a long one on it yet? I'm curious... seems like cycling just breeds asthmatics for some reason. Some a legit, others are just trying to score some of these inhaler PEDs.. lol
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They are still way more expensive than they used to be before the CFC ban. With good insurance I'm still paying $30-40/inhaler. Retail is around $70, whereas they used to be $10. Nebulizers are cost effective for those that need daily dosing instead of just preemptive for exercise induced.
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They are still way more expensive than they used to be before the CFC ban. With good insurance I'm still paying $30-40/inhaler. Retail is around $70, whereas they used to be $10. Nebulizers are cost effective for those that need daily dosing instead of just preemptive for exercise induced.
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Maybe generic isn't the right term. I meant a brand of inhaler that is not associated with the earliest introduction of the drug, i.e. a post-patent entry to the market. I dunno if that has any real meaning. Forget I said anything about that. There apparently are cheaper and more expensive varieties. Anyway I use ProAir HFA at $35.99 for 3, 200-puff inhalers after insurance.
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Maybe generic isn't the right term. I meant a brand of inhaler that is not associated with the earliest introduction of the drug, i.e. a post-patent entry to the market. I dunno if that has any real meaning. Forget I said anything about that. There apparently are cheaper and more expensive varieties. Anyway I use ProAir HFA at $35.99 for 3, 200-puff inhalers after insurance.
Before prescription drug (insurance) plans, I used to pay something close to $10.00 cash out of pocket for a refil, and a bit more for a complete inhaler. When drug plans became dominant this became an issue because the spot cash price was less than the insurance co-pay. For a while I'd get around the problem, by not bringing insurance, and peeling a few bills out of my money clip. Eventually, they solved the problem by raising the price, so the co-pay looked like a good deal.
Currently, I buy my Salbutamol over the counter in Cozumel paying like $30.00 (USD) for a pack of three complete inhalers.
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I'm lucky, in that I don't have attacks while riding.
But after I stop ... It hits me like a train.
I'm trying to find some way of easing that problem...
But after I stop ... It hits me like a train.
I'm trying to find some way of easing that problem...
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Also, consider that your home may have allergens or other triggers at a level low enough for you to manage, but when you come in with the higher breathing rate from your ride, the combination brings you over the top. You might do an experiment by coming home, but staying outside until you've fully recovered, or at least close, and seeing if that improves things.
The key is to learn the patterns that cause attacks, then find workarounds. It takes patience and experimentation, but it's been my experience that it is usually manageable.
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Unfortunately, cold weather will cause symptoms during a ride, and just taking it easy seems to be the only effective treatment then, with or without a beta agonist inhaler. my move to Phoenix next month should fix that!
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Try being more careful about winding down and cooling off. Or you might try bringing an inhaler and taking a dose of albuterol when you're 5 or 10 minutes from home.
Also, consider that your home may have allergens or other triggers at a level low enough for you to manage, but when you come in with the higher breathing rate from your ride, the combination brings you over the top. You might do an experiment by coming home, but staying outside until you've fully recovered, or at least close, and seeing if that improves things.
The key is to learn the patterns that cause attacks, then find workarounds. It takes patience and experimentation, but it's been my experience that it is usually manageable.
Also, consider that your home may have allergens or other triggers at a level low enough for you to manage, but when you come in with the higher breathing rate from your ride, the combination brings you over the top. You might do an experiment by coming home, but staying outside until you've fully recovered, or at least close, and seeing if that improves things.
The key is to learn the patterns that cause attacks, then find workarounds. It takes patience and experimentation, but it's been my experience that it is usually manageable.
Your comments about allergens at home don't apply to my situation, as I usually drive to the start of a ride - and there are many different start locations, all over the county.
However a dose of albuterol 5 to 10 minutes from the end of the ride is a "blinding flash of the obvious", yet I hadn't thought of it. I always ride with an inhaler, and will definitely try that. Thanks for the idea.
The patterns that cause the attacks are pretty similar to many others in this thread: Cold, dry weather is worst, whereas I can often ride in warm humid weather and - as much as I hate the clammy heat - there's often no after effect at all. Maybe my answer is to move to Florida. (Now - I need my pulmonologist to convince my wife that I need to move for health reasons. )
My exercise asthma kicks in an hour or two AFTER a hard ride. I think the catecholamines and stress hormones of hard riding keep it at bay until after. So I took some beta agonists before riding and felt like crap while riding. Seems those "selective" drugs aren't too selective in me, and having a baseline tachycardia saps my energy. What I found worked was low dose inhaled steroid daily. Then use a beta agonist inhaler only after those rides that symptoms start to appear after stopping, which is way less frequent now. Gotta give inhaled steroids weeks to work?
Unfortunately, cold weather will cause symptoms during a ride, and just taking it easy seems to be the only effective treatment then, with or without a beta agonist inhaler. my move to Phoenix next month should fix that!
Unfortunately, cold weather will cause symptoms during a ride, and just taking it easy seems to be the only effective treatment then, with or without a beta agonist inhaler. my move to Phoenix next month should fix that!
I think your move to Phoenix is the answer!
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so.... I still don't understand why I get so dang shaky after I finish the vial with the atomizer... even now I can barely type. the [not] PED sure feels like a PED.
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If you actually were to get on the bike you'd notice that your performance would suffer when pushed against a control group of yourself without having asthma and not needing to take any drug for your asthma.
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obviously an imperfect science.
SO what I'm saying is - probably feels like you're getting a 'high' from it, but your performance will be poopie in comparison to 'not feeling high' or needing to take any.
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Maybe generic isn't the right term. I meant a brand of inhaler that is not associated with the earliest introduction of the drug, i.e. a post-patent entry to the market. I dunno if that has any real meaning. Forget I said anything about that. There apparently are cheaper and more expensive varieties. Anyway I use ProAir HFA at $35.99 for 3, 200-puff inhalers after insurance.
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The inhalers jumped in price becuase the propellants (cfc's I think?) were banned. Now the inhalers use proprietary, patented propellants so there arent any cheapie inhalers anymore.
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Yea albuterol has been off patent for years, and prior to 2009, albuterol inhalers could be had for ~$10 w/o insurance for generics. The pharma companies lobbied to ban all albuteral inhalers that used CFCs even though their environmental effect was minimal. All the new inhalers use the patented HFA dispersent so the retail cost is ~$60-70 now. You're lucky your insurance covers most of the cost, is it percentage based or copay based? Many insurances cover a lower percentage for "name brands" and since there are no generic inhalers people get shafted on inhaler costs. Some companies even limit the number of refills they cover/year at an unreasonably low number since its not technically supposed to be a daily use item.
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FB, many thanks for the reply. I have become careful about 'warming down' after rides, but the hacking still kicks in about 10 to 20 minutes after the ride. I'll try warming down a bit longer to see if it helps...
Your comments about allergens at home don't apply to my situation, as I usually drive to the start of a ride - and there are many different start locations, all over the county.
However a dose of albuterol 5 to 10 minutes from the end of the ride is a "blinding flash of the obvious", yet I hadn't thought of it. I always ride with an inhaler, and will definitely try that. Thanks for the idea.
The patterns that cause the attacks are pretty similar to many others in this thread: Cold, dry weather is worst, whereas I can often ride in warm humid weather and - as much as I hate the clammy heat - there's often no after effect at all. Maybe my answer is to move to Florida. (Now - I need my pulmonologist to convince my wife that I need to move for health reasons. )
I've tried the daily low dose inhaled steroid (Advair) - and I'm not convinced that it helps. I Googled "beta agonist inhaler" - and I think Albuterol is one of them..?
I think your move to Phoenix is the answer!
Your comments about allergens at home don't apply to my situation, as I usually drive to the start of a ride - and there are many different start locations, all over the county.
However a dose of albuterol 5 to 10 minutes from the end of the ride is a "blinding flash of the obvious", yet I hadn't thought of it. I always ride with an inhaler, and will definitely try that. Thanks for the idea.
The patterns that cause the attacks are pretty similar to many others in this thread: Cold, dry weather is worst, whereas I can often ride in warm humid weather and - as much as I hate the clammy heat - there's often no after effect at all. Maybe my answer is to move to Florida. (Now - I need my pulmonologist to convince my wife that I need to move for health reasons. )
I've tried the daily low dose inhaled steroid (Advair) - and I'm not convinced that it helps. I Googled "beta agonist inhaler" - and I think Albuterol is one of them..?
I think your move to Phoenix is the answer!
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The steroids used in the daily low does inhalers and Albuterol are very similar. The difference seems to be that the former category is good for a continual effect while the Albuterol works better for short term requirements in individual situations. The mechanisms of action must be pretty similar though.