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Tubular tire phobia appears to be widespread

Old 05-13-16, 09:57 AM
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Anyone remember Wolber steel-belted tubulars?

They came with a SS mesh for flat protection; I think they were the last ones I used before switching to clinchers...
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I have only used tubulars once and it was by force on a bike I acquired as a student.

It was over ten years ago and it took me many different trips to bike shops to figure out what I was doing and then I only knew as much as glue them on.

I spent many nights getting them stretched and glued. It was messy, a bit crooked, but they were stuck and they rolled around but never off. I did eventually get a blow out at a decent clip (the wheel had slipped in the QR and rubbed the sidewall against the frame, I rode it for a long time after that). It blew out at about 130 psi and I was going probably 15 mph, it sounded like a gun shot, but I was able to limp the few hundred meters home without the rim on the blacktop.

I loved those tires and they felt amazing. I eventually sold the bike and regretted it. I never realized that they were that good against flats, nor had I considered sealant. They are tempting, and they feel so nice to ride on.
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Originally Posted by rmfnla View Post
Anyone remember Wolber steel-belted tubulars?

They came with a SS mesh for flat protection; I think they were the last ones I used before switching to clinchers...
I remember Wolber cotton tubulars which would asplode if you just looked at them crooked.
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I have seen tubulars being rolled at a race twice.
First time it looked like it almost had no glue. Dude wouldn't say which shop glued it.
Not sure what the issue with second one was.

That being said I raced on tubulars for last 10 years. So far, knock on wood, no rolls. They did save me couple of times when tire got punctured and was loosing pressure. I didn't realize until very controlled slide mid fast corner. Funny enough on same course, but years apart.
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I had a guy that came in that rolled his rear tire. The tire and rim barely had any glue on it. Destroyed his carbon rim. Had to spend 400 on a new hoop from Reynolds. I've seen glue jobs so sketchy...I wondered how some of them stayed on.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
I'm using Tufo tape with Vittoria tires. Very firm.
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I have seen tubulars being rolled at a race twice.
First time it looked like it almost had no glue. Dude wouldn't say which shop glued it.
Not sure what the issue with second one was.

That being said I raced on tubulars for last 10 years. So far, knock on wood, no rolls. They did save me couple of times when tire got punctured and was loosing pressure. I didn't realize until very controlled slide mid fast corner. Funny enough on same course, but years apart.
Don't glue, use tape.

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I had a guy that came in that rolled his rear tire. The tire and rim barely had any glue on it. Destroyed his carbon rim. Had to spend 400 on a new hoop from Reynolds. I've seen glue jobs so sketchy...I wondered how some of them stayed on.
See above. Don't glue.

I used Tufo's tape for years and it worked great. I bought a pair of Enve wheels on sale and started them off with the Effetto Mariposa tape (upon a Lennard Zinn recommendation) which has also worked superbly and comes off the rim with no to little residue. There is no need to glue tires on rims anymore and there is certainly no reason to have a shop do it when it's dead simple and quick to do yourself.

You can get tubulars on sale for the same price as a good clincher of similar quality. Just pay attention to some of the on line sites. Also, Yellow Jersey Bike Shop in Madison has offered a 3 tubulars for $50 deal for years. I've bought them in the past and they are decent even nice tires.

I can change a tubular just as fast as I can change a clincher. Tough part is getting tire off the rim. With the tape, there is no way that's coming off and it takes about as much elbow grease to get it off as it does a tubeless clincher tire on a rim.

So where's the downside? Ride is better, tire price is the same, flats are less (I get a lot less flats), you're not going to roll a tire so it's safer, and the wheel/tire combination is lighter.

I've got my whole family on them.

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Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
Don't glue, use tape.



See above. Don't glue.

I used Tufo's tape for years and it worked great. I bought a pair of Enve wheels on sale and started them off with the Effetto Mariposa tape (upon a Lennard Zinn recommendation) which has also worked superbly and comes off the rim with no to little residue. There is no need to glue tires on rims anymore and there is certainly no reason to have a shop do it when it's dead simple and quick to do yourself.

You can get tubulars on sale for the same price as a good clincher of similar quality. Just pay attention to some of the on line sites. Also, Yellow Jersey Bike Shop in Madison has offered a 3 tubulars for $50 deal for years. I've bought them in the past and they are decent even nice tires.

I can change a tubular just as fast as I can change a clincher. Tough part is getting tire off the rim. With the tape, there is no way that's coming off and it takes about as much elbow grease to get it off as it does a tubeless clincher tire on a rim.

So where's the downside? Ride is better, tire price is the same, flats are less (I get a lot less flats), you're not going to roll a tire so it's safer, and the wheel/tire combination is lighter.

I've got my whole family on them.

J.
Ooo, I am going to try the Effetto Mariposa next time. I used to use Tufo extreme, but then went back to gluing. Don't remember why. Probably too lazy to order. Yes I realize the irony.
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​Gluing is not hard.
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Originally Posted by robabeatle View Post
​Gluing is not hard.
but tape is easier and faster and probably ultimately adheres better.

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Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
but tape is easier and faster and probably ultimately adheres better.

j.
The new Vittoria glue is pretty damned easy and sticks like super glue. Doesn't make mess going on and is easy to get off.
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Originally Posted by K.Katso View Post
The new Vittoria glue is pretty damned easy and sticks like super glue. Doesn't make mess going on and is easy to get off.
Good to know. Do you have to pre-glue the tire with it?

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I want to try some of that Cargona Remover.
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but tape is easier and faster and probably ultimately adheres better.

j.
Faster to apply, yes, but glue is faster.
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Originally Posted by robabeatle View Post
Faster to apply, yes, but glue is faster.
Wut?
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I want to try some of that Cargona Remover.
Meh... They didn't do much more than regular goof-off, i.e. still hours of elbow grease with goof-off to fully clean a rim even after I applied the Carogna Remover and let it sit for a couple of days.
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Originally Posted by GravelGuy View Post
About ten years ago I did some work for an importer of Vittoria tires. We dickered over the price of the job and I ended up being paid in tires, Vittoria Paves tubulars. So I've been riding them ever since, I've only flatted once in those ten years but have worn a lot of Paves down to the fabric. I'm down to my last pair.

I've become fond of wider tires and now on at least one bike I'm riding 30mm Challenge tubulars which I have had good luck with so far. I've run them as low as 35psi for gravel without any problem.
What do you do that gets you paid in bike parts?
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I love the feel of tubulars, and the lighter weight wheels, especially in carbon. My problem is that when I flatted, I could not get the tires off. I used Continental glue and used 3 thin layers on the rim, 1 on the tire. I nearly destroyed my hands, then nearly destroyed the rim with various tools, trying to pry it off. It took a few days of trying and when I was finished, couldn't use my hands for awhile.
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Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
Good to know. Do you have to pre-glue the tire with it?

J.
Nope. Only one coat. Check out this video:


It really is that easy. I'll never go back to the old stuff.
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I like tubulars. I haven't used mine since my last flat about three years ago, but I wouldn't mind getting another set of tubular wheels and using them again. Never used the tape though. I need to try it.
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Last year when restoring a '77 Colnago Super I had to get up to speed on using tubulars being my first try at it. Sewups just belong on some bikes and the Fiamme rims match the era. Ride? My first ride on the bike and sewups will always be a highpoint to me. The best part of tubulars is being able to widely vary tire pressures to match the ride. They really do roll out quick.
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I love it when tires roll out quick. You don't see that all the time. It almost as good as wheels spinning up fast.
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I got a puncture on Saturday- wouldn't have known,

but some folks behind me saw the sealant spray & were making a fuss.

The pressure went down to about 80 before the sealant stopped the leak, so added some air.

Earlier, the paceline went over a good sized pothole, & the guy in front of me pinch flatted but I didn't.

Later, my riding buddy pinch flatted, & it took a while to fix with his shallow rim & tight tire.
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I had a rear tire that popped so hard, it left a red mark on my calf. Also sprayed sealant all over.
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