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What's with this KOPS thing?

Old 05-13-16, 06:07 AM
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What's with this KOPS thing?

The older I get the further back I like my saddle. Weather my knee is over the pedal spindle , I don't know. That's just me.

What I notice in observing the "average" kitted out euro biker type, is they are way forward in the saddle. Their knees are well past the pedal spindle at the 3 o'clock position. Is the KOPS thing no longer the standard? I see it referred to often in fit topics here.
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Old 05-13-16, 06:38 AM
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KOPS is a good reference starting point, not a commandment.

Don't worry about what anybody else is doing, especially not some pro racer.

Do what works best for you. If you are comfortable you're doing it right.
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Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
Is the KOPS thing no longer the standard?
I think it's like the standard for a new person on a bike for sure. It's probably the point where the largest majority of riders are going to be comfortable and put out good power as a starting point.
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Also, keep in mind the type of bike. TT athletes often sit farther forward and sometimes adopt funny pedaling mechanics like extreme toe down positions for various reasons. In some circles it is fashionable to have the saddle as far back as it will go, as if sitting on the rivet makes you a hardman. I prefer to sit on my saddle as intended, sit bones on the widest part.
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What Cooper said. I followed the usual fit guides slavishly for decades, and I was never really comfortable--I thought suffering just went with being a cyclist. Around the time I turned 50 (and bought a midlife crisis bike from Rivendell), I incorporated some of Grant's recommendations with some ideas of my own and instantly could stay on the bike longer and ride farther. Twenty-year-olds often offer me advice on how to go faster--lower the bars, get a better pedal system, ditch the big heavy Brooks saddle, whatever. Been there, done that--I'm just happy to be riding.
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A guestimate for saddle set back adjustment ... You gotta Start somewhere.
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KOPS, isn't that a new Fox show about undercover law enforcement??
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Good starting point. Experience adjust, if/as necessary, from there.
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The OP needs one of these:

BABK0032 - ALTERRA 700
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