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Speedplay- Ultra Light Pedals

Old 05-18-16, 12:22 PM
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Speedplay- Ultra Light Pedals

I just switched over to these from look keomax.
I did so to save my knees which are arthritic.

There is a 15 degree float and you can really feel it.
The pedals are recommended for recreational riders and not pros.
I am obviously the former.

The Problem: When I stand I feel like I am going to come out of the cleats...but more importantly they move side to side and I feel unstable.

Does anyone have this problem.
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Old 05-18-16, 12:26 PM
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No, my feet rotate pretty easily but they don't shift side to side at all. Are your cleats screwed on correctly? Can you move them on your shoe (with your hand?)
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The "skating on ice" feeling is normal with Speedplays. You shouldn't feel like you're going to come out of the cleat when standing. If you rotate your feet too much while standing it is possible to clip out though. I did that the other day with my Zeros. I have heard people complain of rocking on older cleats (never experienced it myself) but you definitely shouldn't have any on brand new cleats. They come with various adapters to make sure they mount correctly on different shoes.
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I've yet to come out of my Ultra-Lights when standing on the pedals unless I twisted my foot out inadvertently, and even then it does take a little effort to make that happen. You should be fine.
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They aren't recommended for pros??
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Originally Posted by kenshireen View Post
I just switched over to these from look keomax.
I did so to save my knees which are arthritic.

There is a 15 degree float and you can really feel it.
The pedals are recommended for recreational riders and not pros.
I am obviously the former.

The Problem: When I stand I feel like I am going to come out of the cleats...but more importantly they move side to side and I feel unstable.

Does anyone have this problem.
It will get better as you develop muscles other platform pedals don't require. I think they engage more of the leg in the act of pedaling and are a better workout.
But it is energy you wouldn't need to burn on some platforms. Which is a reason many racers use platforms (platforms being Look Keo/Shimano types).
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Old 05-18-16, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
They aren't recommended for pros??
Are these the Ti? Likely too much flex for pros. Also many prefer a more stable pedal.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Are these the Ti? Likely too much flex for pros. Also many prefer a more stable pedal.
No, they are light action.

Had a set a few years ago and twice nearly crashed when sprinting uphill, pulled out both times. Zero's ever since.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Are these the Ti? Likely too much flex for pros. Also many prefer a more stable pedal.
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Old 05-18-16, 01:42 PM
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I'm thinking of trying a red cleat on my look.. Grey
is 4 degrees and red is 9 from what I understand
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You can use adjustable Zero cleats with Light Action and X-series pedals, despite what Speedplay says on their website. I and many others have done it, they work fine.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
It will get better as you develop muscles other platform pedals don't require. I think they engage more of the leg in the act of pedaling and are a better workout.
But it is energy you wouldn't need to burn on some platforms. Which is a reason many racers use platforms (platforms being Look Keo/Shimano types).
any studies that back up you beliefs? I understand what you are saying, but do you know of any studies that back it up?
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
They aren't recommended for pros??
The Ultra-Lights are much easier to clip out of, but I did my TT in them. Then again, calling me a pro would be like saying the sky is neon green...
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No studies. 1st hand me, tandem partners, half a dozen riders and the Speed-play inventor (local - San Diego).
Then Shimano prod development VP (local - Mission Viejo)
I have both from 80,90,00s
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Originally Posted by Lazyass View Post
You can use adjustable Zero cleats with Light Action and X-series pedals, despite what Speedplay says on their website. I and many others have done it, they work fine.
Interesting - thanks for the head's up. I wondered if that was possible at all, though I have no need to do so now.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
No studies. 1st hand me, tandem partners, half a dozen riders and the Speed-play inventor (local - San Diego).
Then Shimano prod development VP (local - Mission Viejo)
I have both from 80,90,00s
so you have no factual data to back up your beliefs?

I use both Keo and Speedplay pedals (on different bikes), but have never noticed a difference in leg fatigue between pedals. I use Speedplay on my FG/commuter, and my primary/road bike, because I like the double-sided entry. My TT bike has Keo pedals because EZ entry is irrelevant in TTs, and Look gave me the pedals.
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Pretty much just experience.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Pretty much just experience.
That's fine, and it's a logical belief, but IME I have not seen/perceived a difference.

Right now I'm using KEOs on my primary road bike because a Speedplay pedal fell apart on a training ride(probably my fault). I like KEOs for racing( because you only clip in once), but Speedplay is great for day-to-day use because of EZ entry, and the cleats last far longer.
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I had the Zero before and in an accident I had one foot stayed clipped and mess up my leg pretty bad. Never again. The lighter ones don't have that problem, and they are the ideal pedal for me. They don't feel any different than the the Zero to me, unless I twist the foot. They are adjustable via screws, try different settings.
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Originally Posted by kenshireen View Post
I'm thinking of trying a red cleat on my look.. Grey
is 4 degrees and red is 9 from what I understand
One of the differences between Shimano and SP is the free float. Shimano pedals have spring tension on the pedals...that is what I believe to give some people knee issues...which is why you went Speedplay in the first place. Changing to a different cleat will allow more float, but won't change the tension in the pedals.
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Originally Posted by kenshireen View Post
I just switched over to these from look keomax.
I did so to save my knees which are arthritic.

There is a 15 degree float and you can really feel it.
The pedals are recommended for recreational riders and not pros.
I am obviously the former.

The Problem: When I stand I feel like I am going to come out of the cleats...but more importantly they move side to side and I feel unstable.

Does anyone have this problem.
Can you not adjust the float on the cleat the same way you can with the zeros? I thought the cleats were all the same?
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The Light Actions don't have adjustable float. Steve Hogg has a blog post about why you shouldn't limit float on Speedplays. Especially just because you don't like the feeling. You'll adapt over time and it's better for your knees.
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The Light Actions don't have adjustable float. Steve Hogg has a blog post about why you shouldn't limit float on Speedplays. Especially just because you don't like the feeling. You'll adapt over time and it's better for your knees.
I can't seem to find the article you're talking about with a quick search...I did happen pass this one, but he doesn't really give a reason. Basically just says your foot shouldn't slop around, so don't worry about it.
https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com...hich-are-best/

I have about 6* of float on mine currently. If I had to leave them at 15*, I'd go back to SPD-SL. I know my foot isn't supposed to "slop" around, but it still moves more than I would like it to on harder efforts out of the saddle. And while it might not be moving much, I feel like I'm concentrating more on what my foot is doing than the actual hill I'm trying to climb.
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The way I interpret it is that 'slop' is mostly an illusion in the rider's mind because they're used to other pedal systems that don't allow as much float (or make you overcome spring tension to rotate the cleat.) I just can't see how mechanically locking your foot in place when it wants to rotate is good for your knees long term. This is especially true of somebody with preexisting knee issues. You do get used to the float eventually FWIW. 7.5 degrees of rotation on either side of center is not really that much float when you think about it. The way people talk about Speedplays you'd think you can rotate your shoes 360 degrees.

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