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Android apps and external sensors?

Old 05-28-16, 07:04 PM
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Android apps and external sensors?

Hello,

I am looking for an Android (Marshmallow) app that will keep track of my rides both on the road and on a trainer.

My question is, what app(s) can I use for both road and stationary rides, and allow for distance tracking on the rear wheel (when on trainer)?

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Android man myself, so I'd be interested to see what the options are.
What were you thinking in terms of connectivity?
I think very few Android phones are ant+ compatible without an adapter.... Bluetooth is an option too.

Did you just want to record data from your jersey pocket or were you hoping to have your phone on the bars giving you a display?
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I want my phone in my pocket.

I want to use a (rear mounted) speed sensor and possibly a cadence sensor.
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The wahoo will work, and it appears that topeak also makes one. Here is some info.
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I've been thinking about that also, mainly for data collection and the ability to combine the data with the phone's sensors. The problem I come up against is that fitness devices use ant+ and sometimes BTLE (aka bluetooth 4.0), and if your phone doesn't have either you're out of luck. "Wahoo RPM Speed and Cadence Sensor" doesn't cost an arm and a leg and may be your solution if your android phone can talk to it.

I'd even be willing to plug a jack from a magnet sensor into the headset/mike hole if such were available. It does provide for four digital inputs after all (pause/play etc). But I have yet to see that offered for sale (anyone?).
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I currently use a GPS/Direct Measurement Bike Computer Android App called IPbike on a Samsung Galaxy Note-4. The Galaxy phones from the S4 on up to my Note-4 have native ANT+ receivers (The S3 included an ANT+ receiver, but was not enabled in the firmware). That said, I have not kept up with the S6, S7, Note-5 etc. with regard to native (i.e. on-board) ANT+ receivers, so that may need some verification, but I'd be surprised if they were removed. My guess is there are ANT+ "dongles" that can be attached to other phones that do not have native ANT+ support for a nominal cost.

Using IPBike, I have set up two "Bicycles" - one for my external trips (out on the road), and another for my bike on my indoor trainer (a Kurt Kinetic). I utilize a Bontrager Interchange Combo Sensor on my non-drive side chainstay for wheel rotation measurement (speed) and pedal rotation measurement (Cadence). I also utilize a Garmin Heart Rate monitor for HR Zones training. I have found this to be a more than satisfactory arrangement for my needs. Ipbike is capable of ANT+ Power Measurement, but I don't have the coin to join the Power Measurement Club at this time. Additionally, utilizing the "beta" version of the ipSensorman, BTLE is supported though I cannot attest to how well that works (since all my stuff is ANT+).

As with everything, there are pros and cons to this, but with the exception of Strava Live Segments, I have most of the functionality of the Garmin Edge units, and then some. One of my concerns is battery life of my Note-4 on longer trips, but with some rational power saving procedures (e.g. turning off the display when not absolutely needed) I have been able to have data acquisition last for a 5 hour trip with 30 - 40 % battery "life" left at the end.

One can use the full features of the app (for free) for a specific set of wheel revolutions to evaluate it, and last I checked the full cost is ~$5 - $6.

As mentioned above, this works (well) for me, so at the very least it's worth a "look-see".

Hope this helps.

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EE, I have an S6 and can vouch for it having ANT+. I use it with a Wahoo cadence sensor.
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Originally Posted by EE_Phred
I currently use a GPS/Direct Measurement Bike Computer Android App called IPbike on a Samsung Galaxy Note-4. The Galaxy phones from the S4 on up to my Note-4 have native ANT+ receivers (The S3 included an ANT+ receiver, but was not enabled in the firmware). That said, I have not kept up with the S6, S7, Note-5 etc. with regard to native (i.e. on-board) ANT+ receivers, so that may need some verification, but I'd be surprised if they were removed. My guess is there are ANT+ "dongles" that can be attached to other phones that do not have native ANT+ support for a nominal cost.

Using IPBike, I have set up two "Bicycles" - one for my external trips (out on the road), and another for my bike on my indoor trainer (a Kurt Kinetic). I utilize a Bontrager Interchange Combo Sensor on my non-drive side chainstay for wheel rotation measurement (speed) and pedal rotation measurement (Cadence). I also utilize a Garmin Heart Rate monitor for HR Zones training. I have found this to be a more than satisfactory arrangement for my needs. Ipbike is capable of ANT+ Power Measurement, but I don't have the coin to join the Power Measurement Club at this time. Additionally, utilizing the "beta" version of the ipSensorman, BTLE is supported though I cannot attest to how well that works (since all my stuff is ANT+).

As with everything, there are pros and cons to this, but with the exception of Strava Live Segments, I have most of the functionality of the Garmin Edge units, and then some. One of my concerns is battery life of my Note-4 on longer trips, but with some rational power saving procedures (e.g. turning off the display when not absolutely needed) I have been able to have data acquisition last for a 5 hour trip with 30 - 40 % battery "life" left at the end.

One can use the full features of the app (for free) for a specific set of wheel revolutions to evaluate it, and last I checked the full cost is ~$5 - $6.

As mentioned above, this works (well) for me, so at the very least it's worth a "look-see".

Hope this helps.

-mikey
IPbike is a really nice app. I used it extensively on my old Note 4, but wasn't able to get it to work on my LG V10, even with dongle. Doesn't really matter since I've moved on to an Edge 800 (just for the display) and Fenix 3 HR (to record).
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The Marshmallow OS upgrade has caused some issues with fitness/cycling apps using Bluetooth, so, be aware of that.
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I've been using IP Bike on my Note 4 along with Garmin HRM, speed sensor and cadence sensor for six months. It works if you mount your phone or keep it in your pocket.
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I use Wahoo for indoor treadmill and trainer work. My Note 5 works with Ant+ so I use Garmin HRM, Speed Sensor, Cadence Sensor, and for running I have a Garmin Foot Pod. The activities export to Strava with the touch of a button, too.
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Some phones support ANT and some only support bluetooth. If yours sports both you can have either type of sensor. I just ordered this sensor to try with my Road Bike Pro app.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NW...=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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Bought a cheap Scosche speed and cadence sensor from DailySteals for about $15. Was able to link the device to my Samsung Galaxy tab s2 via the Wahoo apps. I duct taped the sensor onto my stationary bike. Once the workout is done, I uploaded the data to Starva. Works out pretty well.
*At the beginning i had a hard time pairing the sensor. Turned out the original factory battery is dead.
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I have an S6, so I'll have to look at Wahoo.
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Long time lurker, had to register just to throw in another recommendation for IpBike! It works with Bluetooth LE (otherwise known as bluetooth v4.0), too!
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+1 on IpBike; been using it since June 2014.
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