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Carbon Endurance Road Bike with discs?

Old 06-14-16, 04:08 PM
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3: in full disclosure I currently sell specialized, but the roubaix is getting a facelift at interbike this year. Given how the update to the Venge went, I'd be inclined to hold off and see what they're planning since you're looking in the long range bike market.
I heard something similar - I was told to "hold off for a couple of months". As my local shop knows what's been holding me back is the fact that none of the current SCS wheel options are robust enough. Hope now makes an aftermarket 24-spoke SCS hub, and I'm hoping that they'll do a 32 spoke hub and I'd be all set. But it was also suggested that Specialized will have a solution to my wheel dilemma at Interbike as well.
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Here she is. 2016 Giant Defy Advanced 1. I haven't even ridden her yet, waiting for the rain to clear.
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Here she is. 2016 Giant Defy Advanced 1. I haven't even ridden her yet, waiting for the rain to clear.
Looks fantastic. Best of luck with it!
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Old 06-14-16, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JakiChan View Post
I heard something similar - I was told to "hold off for a couple of months". As my local shop knows what's been holding me back is the fact that none of the current SCS wheel options are robust enough. Hope now makes an aftermarket 24-spoke SCS hub, and I'm hoping that they'll do a 32 spoke hub and I'd be all set. But it was also suggested that Specialized will have a solution to my wheel dilemma at Interbike as well.
I wouldn't hold my breath for a 32h scs hub. It's not a big market demanding them. A plenty strong wheel for most applications can be made with the hubs available. While I have no idea what is happening to the Roubaix, I expect it will be the main change in the not-a-race-bike range for the year.
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Originally Posted by CafeVelo View Post
I wouldn't hold my breath for a 32h scs hub. It's not a big market demanding them. A plenty strong wheel for most applications can be made with the hubs available. While I have no idea what is happening to the Roubaix, I expect it will be the main change in the not-a-race-bike range for the year.
Hope says they're making them, and as far as I am aware Hope is the only SCS hub-only (build your own wheel) option right now. Which hubs are you thinking of? Some of us need more than 24 spokes.
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Originally Posted by JakiChan View Post
Hope says they're making them, and as far as I am aware Hope is the only SCS hub-only (build your own wheel) option right now. Which hubs are you thinking of? Some of us need more than 24 spokes.
I meant from specialized. As far as they're concerned in their lineup, if you're loading it more than 24 spokes will take you're in for an awol. Even the hope hubs are going to be a small market item, and would probably stay hub only.
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Similar to GT, Fuji only import a few models into Australia, only one Gran Fondo at 105 level and no discs so can't consider them.
Actually just noticed a shop in Melbourne advertising the 2017 (seems early!)Fuji Gran Fondo 2.1 with Ultegra so looks like there might be more of a range this time. The Quoted weight is about 500g heavier than the Giant though.
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Old 06-19-16, 05:42 AM
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Well, we did a test ride of the Giant Defy Advanced Pro 2 which seemed OK from my perspective at our LBS. Didn't go so well for my wife. The only bike they had for her was a Sora equipped version of the Avail in Aluminium to check out the geometry. The only way she can ride the Avail Advanced Pro would be to buy it! So she's happily gone back to her steel bike for now. It seems to be a common problem here. No one wants to stock higher end Womens Specific Bikes.

Looking also at the Specialized Roubaix/Ruby. Got some negative feedback from a friend who owned a Ruby & complained about the complicated seat-post fastening (she apparently kept losing part of the fastening down the seat tube) among other things. Also read that the Roubaix Disc versions have different wheels (distance between dropouts) to all the other brands which limits choice of wheels to their own Roval brand if you want to change them. Not a big one at first for me as I'm unlikely to upgrade, but come 5 years time will there be replacement wheels available? CaféVelo (or anyone else) if you can comment on this it would be helpful.
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That SCS spacing is a valid point. I am seeing some disc hubs being made (I think Hope is making them) with SCS spacing. Read abut SCS on this site:

Specialized SCS Kit for Diverge, Roubaix, Tarmac, Crux ? NEXT Cycling

I have a Tarmac Disc but it is a 2015 and a QR frame. It came with SCS wheels and hanger. I simply switched the hanger and put regular wheels on. You cannot do that with TA Specialized frames since the frames themselves are SCS spaced. Anyway, it looks like hubs are slowly starting to be produced and do read the solution from Nextdevo.
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Out of all the endurance frames I rode, the Roubaix was the smoothest (best front-end dampening). Then I tried the Diverge and it was even better (slightly heavier/more sluggish than the Roubaix but the additional comfort was worth it for me).



I'll be interested to see what they do to the Roubaix this year.
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Yes, I am very very curious too. I keep feeling the urge to replace my SL4 Roubaix. Just not sure if I should replace it with a Roubaix or Ti or one of the other carbon offerings. I'd like something a little more endurance oriented but at the same time, I do not like bikes that are too mushy. I have been doing some research on Ti bikes and carbon bikes that are light/fast but also comfortable. I'll wait till the new Roubaix comes out though.
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Old 06-19-16, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nomad2 View Post
Looking also at the Specialized Roubaix/Ruby. Got some negative feedback from a friend who owned a Ruby & complained about the complicated seat-post fastening (she apparently kept losing part of the fastening down the seat tube) among other things. Also read that the Roubaix Disc versions have different wheels (distance between dropouts) to all the other brands which limits choice of wheels to their own Roval brand if you want to change them. Not a big one at first for me as I'm unlikely to upgrade, but come 5 years time will there be replacement wheels available? CaféVelo (or anyone else) if you can comment on this it would be helpful.
I now have _TWO_ Specialized disc brake bikes with the odd hub spacing, and I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Hope has an SCS rear hub already, and as noted above, there is a company that'll modify a Shimano cassette so that it'll give you the same affect on a DT Swiss hub. I wouldn't be surprised if there will be more options down the road, but even if not, so far I've been satisfied with the 40mm carbon wheels that came with my disc Tarmac and the wide aluminum 1650g wheelset (and a slightly nicer set of the same wheels retails for $250 USD) that came with the Diverge.

I do have a set of carbon tubular rims on order and will lace them to a DT Swiss hub and will experiment with the derailleur hanger change and/or cassette modification, but that's mostly to try tubulars.

I don't know about the Ruby, but the Tarmac has an internal wedge for clamping the seatpost. If you aren't careful when you remove the seatpost, the wedge can fall into the seattube. If you are aware what'll happen, then it isn't an issue (I've only removed my seat once in the 6mo/2000mi I've ridden the bike, but YMMV). Otherwise I've heard complaints about the CG-R (Cobble Gobbler) seat clamp shifting because of its one bolt design, however I've never had mine slip with 185lbs on it during offroad riding.

I've never ridden the Giant bike, but I'm still enthusiastic about my Specialized disc bikes.
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And yet another Diverge pic:



Those are 38mm Challenge knobbies, and 28mm tires don't fill out the rear triangle nearly as much. There are hidden fender mounts front and back, as well as mounts for a front rack (dropout and mid-fork mounts [better seen in Maconi's pic]) ... I'll be putting a small porteur rack on the front of mine to carry and traditional handlebar bag.
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Hi all. Still mulling over choices. My wife has test ridden a Focus Cayo 105. We were thinking about the Cayo Donna Ultegra Disc for her but the shop didn't have that model to try. She preferred Cayo 105 to the Liv Avail as she prefers the race geometry. She quite liked the Cayo but then read an article in Bike Radar criticizing the bike for it's harsh ride, saying it would be no good for longer rides. Has anyone had experience with the Cayo and can comment?
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Originally Posted by Nomad2 View Post
Hi all. Still mulling over choices. My wife has test ridden a Focus Cayo 105. We were thinking about the Cayo Donna Ultegra Disc for her but the shop didn't have that model to try. She preferred Cayo 105 to the Liv Avail as she prefers the race geometry. She quite liked the Cayo but then read an article in Bike Radar criticizing the bike for it's harsh ride, saying it would be no good for longer rides. Has anyone had experience with the Cayo and can comment?
Guess no for a giant envie? That's the race bike.

Would a swap to 25mm tires make the focus a better ride? (Don't know what it comes with or if they would fit)
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I just bought an extremely lightly used 2015 Diverge Carbon Comp from Craigslist for an excellent price ($2100 not including shipping). I just took it for its maiden voyage today and it's a beautiful bike: very comfortable, very stiff and extremely agile. Many of my road rides include dirt, gravel and fire roads, so I'm pretty sure this bike will give me years of service.
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Hi all. Still mulling over choices. My wife has test ridden a Focus Cayo 105. We were thinking about the Cayo Donna Ultegra Disc for her but the shop didn't have that model to try. She preferred Cayo 105 to the Liv Avail as she prefers the race geometry. She quite liked the Cayo but then read an article in Bike Radar criticizing the bike for it's harsh ride, saying it would be no good for longer rides. Has anyone had experience with the Cayo and can comment?

The wife is still considering the Cayo. When she took it for a test ride I rode a Izalco Ergoride just to keep her company. Not a realistic prospect for me as it was only Tiagra level but gee it was comfortable! More so than the Giant Defy, and when I looked at the geometry, though it was subtle, I think that the combination of a slightly longer reach plus a smaller seat tube angle on the Giant made me feel more hunched over.


They didn't import the Ultegra version of the Ergoride this year and I'd like discs. I did notice The Colnago CX-Zero disc is available with the same geometry as the Ergoride and it looks like it would suit me. it's a special order so no test ride. The one thing that bothers me, apart from that, is that Colnago won't be doing an Endurance bike in 2017, so if the frame fails under warranty (they only offer two years warranty too) then they won't be able to offer anything to replace it. Any thoughts on that. Am I worrying about nothing?
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Cervelo endurance bike:

https://www.cervelo.com/en/road/c-series
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Old 07-12-16, 05:47 AM
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Price for one of those here is $6,000AUD. Even with a discount its out of the question.
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Are you not looking at the Domane?

Scott Solace Disc has gotten great reviews too.
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I considered the Domane but it's a bit heavy. The guy at the lbs is so intensely anti disc I can't get past the rim braked versions in his shop and it put me off a bit. I don't want to open the whole disc debate here...
Apart from the Colnago I am also considering the Scott Solace 10 disc. I'd like to change the crankset to ultegra but I read somewhere they use the cheap one as it is wider and is necessary to avoid the heel striking the stays. The premium version does have Dura Ace cranks so I don't know if that's true.
Also considering the Norco Search ultegra. It's versatile like the Diverge which is not available. Still might consider the Cannondale Synapse. A lot to consider!
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I considered the Domane but it's a bit heavy. The guy at the lbs is so intensely anti disc I can't get past the rim braked versions in his shop and it put me off a bit. I don't want to open the whole disc debate here...
Apart from the Colnago I am also considering the Scott Solace 10 disc. I'd like to change the crankset to ultegra but I read somewhere they use the cheap one as it is wider and is necessary to avoid the heel striking the stays. The premium version does have Dura Ace cranks so I don't know if that's true.
Also considering the Norco Search ultegra. It's versatile like the Diverge which is not available. Still might consider the Cannondale Synapse. A lot to consider!
The crank spec on the Solace seemed odd to me too. Note that apparently there are disc specific cranksets now for correct spacing. The current FSA SL-K is one that comes to mind that is sold in disc and non-disc versions.

The Diverge is available in Australia. I am biased, but I think it is superior to the traditional endurance bikes for the versatility from rack, fender mounts and clearance for wider tires in a carbon frame. And you hardly give up anything in performance to a Roubaix. Specialized says the Diverge frame is 6% more compliant than a Roubaix SL4. The geometry is almost identical with the exception of the lower bottom bracket, which makes for even better handling.

It goes without saying though, that irrespective of everything it would be a mistake to pull the trigger on any bike before seeing what the 2017 Roubaix ends up being.
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I choose the Diverge over the SL4 Roubaix (obviously from my image above), but I'm very interested in what they do with the 2017 Roubaix. I might have to part with my Diverge if it's really something special.
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Focus has just introduced a new Endurance bike with Discs, the Paralane. I don't know for sure but I think this replaces the Izalco Ergoride in the lineup.





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