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Old 06-25-16, 09:26 PM
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I haven't been keeping up with the thread. What is the consensus, is it dead or not? I need to know if I should keep posting
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Old 06-26-16, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
I am sure you and others regarded UMD and Botto with affection. But they were mean and vicious posters who took people they didn't agree with and insulted their intelligence and riding abilities... all in the name of fun, of course, for their fans.

They reminded me of the particularly unpleasant genre of stand-up comedians who found victims and mercilessly pummelled them. Those comedians always have an audience of like-minded people, but I always found it interesting that those same performers were extremely insecure in their own lives.

The likes of Botto and UMD are among the reasons why the internet sports so many bullies and trolls... they set the trend in giving people licence to insult, and frankly, these forums have been better off without them.
I don't think umd was a troll. I found his posts infuriating at times, blisteringly funny at other times, and usually revealing a keen intelligence and real fund of cycling knowledge.
Thin skinned? How can you really know on the internet.
Insecure? Maybe botto and umd were many things, being insecure was not one I would agree with.
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Old 06-26-16, 09:27 AM
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Botto, at least, you could work with. That other character was like a spoiled child determined to have his way. Good riddance!
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
I don't think umd was a troll. I found his posts infuriating at times, blisteringly funny at other times, and usually revealing a keen intelligence and real fund of cycling knowledge.
Thin skinned? How can you really know on the internet.
Insecure? Maybe botto and umd were many things, being insecure was not one I would agree with.
There were a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that a lot of people did not see, simply because it was deleted by the moderation team or it went on in PMs and other sources not related to this forum.

Granted, the moderation team won't talk more about it any further per protocol.
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Old 06-26-16, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by rms13 View Post
I haven't been keeping up with the thread. What is the consensus, is it dead or not? I need to know if I should keep posting
Some say there's too much moderation, some say there's not enough. Obviously the current level must me just right, moderate moderation.
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Old 06-26-16, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
Yes ... I wish the rules were clearly written and posted here. They used to be easily accessible at one point long ago, but then the page where they were died for a couple years and it was a "from memory" thing, and then then the reappeared down in the basement under forum help or somewhere. They need to be made a whole lot more visible.

Here are the rules ...

https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html

But it seems to me that the FAQ section Tom mentions had more in it than just the rules.

I wonder how many have read these.
Thank you for pointing them out, just read them. I agree. They need to be very visible and impossible to miss, up front somewhere.
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Old 06-26-16, 01:03 PM
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Sadly, I'll be blocking all ads and therefore not supporting the site by contributing to the ad impressions.
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Old 06-26-16, 07:10 PM
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I'm on a photography forum elsewhere that's tranquil enough for kindergartners and nuns. Effortlessly. You'd never know they had a moderation staff because you never see them. There's nothing for them to do, and it's mostly because of the people they attract.

Thank you very much, datlas.

Kindergardeners may require more political strategy than an election though.
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
There were a lot of things that went on behind the scenes that a lot of people did not see, simply because it was deleted by the moderation team or it went on in PMs and other sources not related to this forum.

Granted, the moderation team won't talk more about it any further per protocol.

Man...Botto...now I feel 50.


I won't tell any stories about 'the good old 1980s' though.
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Old 06-26-16, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
Man...Botto...now I feel 50.


I won't tell any stories about 'the good old 1980s' though.
'90s >>> '80s

That is all.
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Old 06-26-16, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
There are certainly multiple reasons activity has declined over the years. One that hasn't been mentioned yet is the influence of Mr. Armstrong. If you recall, the popularity of this site grew in direct proportion to Lance winning tours. The longer his winning streak the more Americans were attracted to cycling and the more posters joined BF. Bike Forums was the place to be if you were into cycling, the place to be seen and heard.

And when Lance bit the dust, so too did the forum activity begin to decline. We die-hard cyclists, the ones still here and the ones who were hear before Lance, tend to think everybody thinks like us, but it's simply not so. Lance was incredibly influential in drawing a new generation of enthusiasts to cycling. Everybody wanted to be like Lance, the American cycling hero. And when his popularity departed, so did many of them. Without their hero their interest waned, because after all, this activity really isn't for everybody. Sure many stayed in the game, and many of those groupies stayed here, but it's nowhere near what it used to be.

Interesting, golf courses have seen the same decline since the Tiger era has faded away.
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Old 06-26-16, 09:24 PM
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I think this format is pretty dated and is a turn off for some people, including me. I have to say, I have dealt with some really rude and closed minded people and that keeps me away. I think I'm pretty laid back and open. I don't care to be involved with the "my way or you're wrong" mindset. Just a thought.
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Old 06-26-16, 09:37 PM
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I think this format is pretty dated and is a turn off for some people, including me. I have to say, I have dealt with some really rude and closed minded people and that keeps me away. I think I'm pretty laid back and open. I don't care to be involved with the "my way or you're wrong" mindset. Just a thought.

I am more inclined to this train of thought rather than the rise and fall of Lance Armstrong effect. I think there are more bikers out there now than ever, they are just different and not as fanatic - it is their way of life and they have no desire for a forum that argues endlessly over what lube to use or what type of headlight is acceptable or what is proper etiquette (I waved at a biker nd he didn't wave back) ad infinitum - that and more are all a real turnoff. And the format is not modern or very appealing.


It does seem real dead now.
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Old 06-26-16, 09:47 PM
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I liked botto. He and Grumpy and psimet helped me out a ton when I was trying to figure it out.

umd was different. He knew a lot but the presentation was rough. $5 to the first that remembers the GF name?
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Old 06-26-16, 10:04 PM
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botto wasn't banned though was he? I thought I saw him around not too long ago.
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I liked botto. He and Grumpy and psimet helped me out a ton when I was trying to figure it out.

umd was different. He knew a lot but the presentation was rough. $5 to the first that remembers the GF name?
I remember ... and if you rearrange the letters in their names, they spell out what he thought of all of us.
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Old 06-26-16, 10:47 PM
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Re-commenting / Contrasting to a SoCalSoccer.com
There, folks have voluntary term limits. They start posting about the time their kid is 10 and leave when kid is about 17.
And while every year the same stuff is reintroduced and discussed, it is done by new people.

Maybe if threads aged out and disappeared there would be the opportunity to rehash them. Which is what forum people like to do.
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Old 06-27-16, 04:14 AM
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Re-commenting / Contrasting to a SoCalSoccer.com
There, folks have voluntary term limits. They start posting about the time their kid is 10 and leave when kid is about 17.
And while every year the same stuff is reintroduced and discussed, it is done by new people.

Maybe if threads aged out and disappeared there would be the opportunity to rehash them. Which is what forum people like to do.
They do that anyway. They're then yelled at to search (by a few).

And then they're yelled at for bringing back zombie threads.
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Old 06-27-16, 04:28 AM
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Oddly, while I have suggested zombie thread on more than several occasions, I don't see much harm in the revived ones. They provide the opportunity for input from new members, or for older contributors to reconsider what they might have said before, or add some new element to it.
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Maybe if threads aged out and disappeared there would be the opportunity to rehash them. Which is what forum people like to do.
That would be a problem for those of us who post a lot in C&V who want to find knowledge that current posters don't have.

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Originally Posted by himespau View Post
botto wasn't banned though was he? I thought I saw him around not too long ago.
Botto had a number of temporary bans.

There was even a free Botto campaign .

He's not permanently banned to my
Knowledge , just moved on
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I joined after most of the umd/Botto stuff flamed out. All this talk about how controversial they are made me go back and read some old threads. Not sure I get it.

Do people seriously think the forum has lost some of its luster because a couple of painfully arrogant cyber police no longer start flame wars?
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Old 06-27-16, 07:21 AM
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Most old forums have 'back in the day' rose-tinted glasses. Then you check what happened back in the day and you realize it's mostly complete bilge. Bilge that was fresh before but now it's played out.
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Is This Thread Dying?

Is it my imagination, or is this thread a lot less active than it used to be.
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP View Post
I joined after most of the umd/Botto stuff flamed out. All this talk about how controversial they are made me go back and read some old threads. Not sure I get it.

Do people seriously think the forum has lost some of its luster because a couple of painfully arrogant cyber police no longer start flame wars?
That's about the extent of what I thought about that time. Flame wars seem to make the place more active but it is really just white noise and nothing of substance.
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