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Road Bike $4-5K: Full bike

Old 05-14-05, 04:39 PM
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Road Bike $4-5K: Full bike

Well, someone just stumbled onto some bills, and is looking to get a new racing bike... Looking for a Ti-Carbon Combo but could be a bit out of my price range... The IF, Seven, and Serotta's top end numbers are sweet, but $$$ (perhaps an '04). ... I, for some reason or another, don't really like Trek's, Cannondale, Orbea, Giant, Specialized (that kinda cuts it down)...

This budget puts me in a bewildering stratosphere of bikes... Bigger rider (6'2'', 170lbs). I like the IF Crown Jewel (Steel or Ti - any experience)... While I want something that is race quality, I also want something that could get me across the country if that was ever in the cards... Not really for compact frames, but could be convinced...

anyone raced a vanilla?
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You are so many options for you with 4 - 5k. You are going to find a hard time getting a custom level ti and carbon bike in that range (most framesets are about 4k alone). Ti alone may be an option. Better yet tell us what components you want, wheelset, etc. and then decide on the frame or get the frame you want and think about the components second.

Just for a quick reality check about price...

litespeed - 5 - 7k
seven 5 - 7k

etc...

Trek, cannondale, etc high end models... around 4 - 5k
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Maybe one you have not thought of.....

https://www.gurubikes.com/english.html
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Vanilla's are gorgeous classic steel. Wait time for one is no less than 18 months.

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In my opinion, you can't go wrong with custom steel. One can fairly easily put together a bike by one of the many custom steel makers out there, hang some nice components and wheels on it and all and still stay in the $4-5k range pretty easily. Just my .02....
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At the one of the LBS, they have a Merckx Ti frame that is actually made by Litespeed for Merckx. In that range, this could be decked out with Chorus and sweet wheels.

If you are into steel, I talked to a guy on a century ride today with a very nice looking steel Ciocc with a Chorus group. Very nice.
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You have so many choices that it's virtually impossible to thoroughly answer your question. If I were you though, I'd shelve the idea of ti/CF - the CF will add $300-500 to the price and give you nothing in return. It won't improve the ride and it will make the bike heavier.

But here are a few thoughts. Vanilla - way too nice to be raced. It would be a crime against that bike. Buy this bike when you're ready to ride something that makes your heart race just by looking at it. If you put it down in a crit, you'd want to die.

In your price range - Moots - $2400 for the frame, $1800 for a complete Chorus build kit. $2250 for Record. Very nice bike.

Many options in custom Ti in the $2000 to $2500 range - Kish, Strong, deSalvo.

Custom steel - Strong, deSalvo, Seven, IF - all less than $2000 for a frame.

With 4-5k, the world is your oyster.
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I guess this would help as well: Looking for Dura-Ace components (maybe Ultegra Brakes?) and a nice wheelset (Mavic Carbone? or a nice ksyrium set) unless someone convinces me otherwise... Some people prefer campy... i like dura-ace...

Ciocc is nice... IFabrications Crown Jewel (Ti or Steel?) and Moots Titanium is nice as well...

From a racing perspective... is carbon worth it, because i could get a nice fully outfitted giant carbon or trek bike for a nice price... or should i go with custom steel or ti? My current roadie is all aluminum, and I am not a big fan... I mostly ride a steel track bike around town and like the twitchie feel (but something a little less twitchie would be nice on longer rides) ...

holy crap...
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My lbs just put together a very nice looking waterford R33. forgot what the wheelset was, but it was a good build. weight was 16.2lbs without pedals and price was just under 5k
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I know you're not feelin Trek, but what about Lemond Spine bikes - Ti/Carbon or Ti/Steel. Both sweet rides .... Check out the Tete de Course and start from there on down.
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I would think you are going to have a very hard time fitting cosmic carbones into your budget at 4 - 5k unless you are going steel... even then.

My P2K which costs about the same as a road bike to build (aerobars offset the price of the shifters) was 4.3k to build and that was at least 20 percent off of retail on every part and a 600 dollar frame with cosmic carbones... a custom frame and we are talking another 1.5k so about 6k... that is about right.

Very good sugestions... best thing to do though is to go and shop around and find out for your self.
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Originally Posted by sirshane13
I know you're not feelin Trek, but what about Lemond Spine bikes - Ti/Carbon or Ti/Steel. Both sweet rides .... Check out the Tete de Course and start from there on down.
Just don't get a custom paint job.

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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
Just don't get a custom paint job.

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Iw as about to PM you about this. How is it going?
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Iw as about to PM you about this. How is it going?
Nothing new to report - I was promised significant progress by the end of the month.

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Hi,
there is no such a thing as a 'do it all' bike. I suggest getting a high performance bike, and then a touring bike when you want to start touring. I think the place to start is to decide just how much performance you really want. There are high performace bikes like the Litespeed Tuscany. It's fast enough to race, but it's really
intended for a guy that wants to ride long, fast, and hard... without getting the crap beat out of him. Because it's all Ti, there's also no question of it lasting a long time. Most companies make a bike like that. You're just gonna have to hit the bike shops
and fine one. Or go custom. In your shoes, I'd go custom.
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What about Sachs? I know you said you don't like Campy but his bikes are SWEET!

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I'd stay away from cf frames if you want something that will last. A nice steel or ti bike would fill all your needs: the ability to race, as well as the ability to have the bike last for a very long time. The Waterford mentioned above gets a second vote!! One of my riding buddies from up in MI had a Waterford built a few years back and full Dura Ace, and is still loving it. Great bikes....
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Originally Posted by martin_j001
I'd stay away from cf frames if you want something that will last.
Why don't carbon fiber frames last? Please post some links to articles from reputable industry experts substantiating your claim. Thanks.

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ONe factor that you mentioned that has drawn comment is the flexibility to rider across the country. That is a serious additional constraint and one worth asking someone at a serious LBS. It seems like the Specialized Roubaix line might be good for that, as it has a more comfortable ride by dampening the vibrations. You did not say whether such a ride would be "sagged" or you would be carrying a bunch of stuff -- it makes a difference. Clarify some of these things and it will cut down the "universe" a fair bit.
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Originally Posted by martin_j001
I'd stay away from cf frames if you want something that will last.

Ummm I sense a case of OPINION?

I was just on a group ride yesterday, and a guy got into a pretty big crash. His bike had nothing wrong. Maybe major adjustments on the derailleurs but thats it. Its a trek 5500 the thing is bomb prrof!
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55/Rad, I've heard the same thing about cf, that it doesn't hold up over time. What's up with that?
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custom steel = Steelman Cycles
Ti/CF combo = Lightspeed Ultimate

i own both.
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Originally Posted by DC_Emily
55/Rad, I've heard the same thing about cf, that it doesn't hold up over time. What's up with that?
I don't know - that's why I'd like to see some articles written by reputable industry experts who are claiming this. What are they basing their opinions on?

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I think some people are basing opinions on the aeronautical/aerospace industry. The Boeing corporation now makes their latest airliners with tons of carbon fiber with underlying aluminum framework/fuselage componentry. The suspected lifespan of modern aircraft is about 30-40 years (or longer) before decomissioning. This kind of lifespan will easily transfer to the bicycle industry, since bicycle frames really don't get nearly the weathering or high speed friction and stress seen on jet aircraft.
Many of the cf frame companies purposely exceed aerospace standards in an effort to produce stiffer/stronger frames that are lighter. Of course, with a hefty price tag attached. The idea, is to produce something that will basically last a lifetime.
As a matter of fact, a good number of Kit built aircraft are now being made with carbon fiber laminate wings and fuselages, and they will easily have a lifespan of the owner, as long as it is properly taken care of. Don't worry about the lifespan of your bike, especially if it is built by a reputable company with very high standards.
Technically, if the lifespan is to be compared to Ti, then obviously Ti will last longer. The fact is however, most people will probably get rid of their bikes before they are 50 years old. I know I probably will.

I think one of the nicest Ti/carbon frames on the market now is the Merlin Cielo. It really has my attention at this point in time for a possible buildup of a classy ride.
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
I don't know - that's why I'd like to see some articles written by reputable industry experts who are claiming this. What are they basing their opinions on?

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Sorry dude, I thought you were saying you had evidence to the contrary. I found this article which discusses steel, al, ti, and carbon. I don't know if it's dated, but towards the end it details some of the issues of carbon fiber frames, stating that they generally have problems in the joint areas. Don't know how helpful this may be, but here's the link:
https://www.calfeedesign.com/twp.txt
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