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Frame Renovations...worth it?

Old 06-27-16, 12:48 PM
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Frame Renovations...worth it?

I am looking at buying a 2000ish steel frame. I have an opportunity to purchase a LeMond Zurich for $250. The frame has a lot of scratches on it but is in good shape. I am thinking about purchasing the bike and having it painted. l really love purple, like on the old Kleins. I can get the frame itself powder coated for about $150 locally but the fork is carbon. To match the color and have it painted, it would run an additional $200. I am not sure that it is worth this headache though. I could keep the fork yellow and just paint the frame. Has anybody done this type of renovation to a bike frame before? What are your thoughts on it?
I could always just buy a new Some and a fork but that it not as intriguing. However, it may be more cost effecient.
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Old 06-27-16, 01:08 PM
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Repainting generally destroys the value of the bike/frame. $250 for a Zurich (assuming it's 853) is a pretty good deal. $400+ when you pay for refurb is not as great a deal. If paint is scratched and not rusted, you can put some clear nail polish on the scratches to protect the metal and ride it. But I also understand wanting a nice new looking bike so if money isn't an issue and you don't plan on reselling down the road then powder coat it not a bad idea
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Zurich's had full 853 I believe, so you should be OK there. Just be sure to remove the seat and peer inside for signs of rust, especially near the BB. A little surface rust is OK, but you don't want this thing rotting from the inside out.
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I have done it many times. To preserve the frame value you need to have a pro paint job with real or replica decals, including tubing brand decals, applied underneath clear coat. If the frame isn't custom, you need to replicate an authentic paint scheme. No single colors or powder coating. But do anything you want if you no longer want to claim the original identity.
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I have done it many times. To preserve the frame value you need to have a pro paint job with real or replica decals, including tubing brand decals, applied underneath clear coat. If the frame isn't custom, you need to replicate an authentic paint scheme. No single colors or powder coating. But do anything you want if you no longer want to claim the original identity.
I'm fairly certain that I would not sell the bike if I have it painted. I am looking for a second bike to take with me when I travel for work. I travel to a different city 3 days per week. I could log some miles mid week this way. I'm not putting my Colnago through that. I thought about buying a used bike but that kind of bored me so i started to think about going with something different. A steel bike fits the bill and a build out is fun. I don't want to spend too much though.
A local company will powder coat it for $125. I like the idea of no decals. I just don't know what to do with the carbon fork. Painting that starts to make the price go up.
Are steel forks any good? I could find a used one and powder coat that with the bike instead.

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Here's the deal: 90s/2000s Lemonds are great bikes and 853 is very high end steel, but these bikes are not collectible. Which is a good thing. It means you can powder coat the frame, get some replacement decals, and not worry about it. I think that's a great idea.

One thing to keep in mind is that some powdercoaters will charge extra for stripping the current paint. So be aware of that. Also make sure that they will mask the bottom bracket and derailleur hanger threads, or do it yourself if they don't.

As to the fork...I would just leave it yellow or get a new fork. Splurge on a Wound Up or something like that.
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Based on your last explanation, OP, you are seriously in need of a travel breakapart bike. I am assuming your travel will be by air. Disregard my comments if you are driving. A used Ritchey Breakaway frame complete with travel case is what you need. Or buy the LeMond and have it converted with S&S couplings and painted all at the same time. The Ritchey would be cheaper most likely.
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I'm fairly certain that I would not sell the bike if I have it painted. I am looking for a second bike to take with me when I travel for work. I travel to a different city 3 days per week. I could log some miles mid week this way. I'm not putting my Colnago through that. I thought about buying a used bike but that kind of bored me so i started to think about going with something different. A steel bike fits the bill and a build out is fun. I don't want to spend too much though.
A local company will powder coat it for $125. I like the idea of no decals. I just don't know what to do with the carbon fork. Painting that starts to make the price go up.
Are steel forks any good? I could find a used one and powder coat that with the bike instead.
Don't replace the fork. That is a desperation move. If you want that bike to ride well without any issues, keep the original fork. A fork painting can't cost more than another $150. All assuming you don't take my travel bike advice.
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Based on your last explanation, OP, you are seriously in need of a travel breakapart bike. I am assuming your travel will be by air. Disregard my comments if you are driving. A used Ritchey Breakaway frame complete with travel case is what you need. Or buy the LeMond and have it converted with S&S couplings and painted all at the same time. The Ritchey would be cheaper most likely.
Now that I see the latest Ritchey prices, maybe the S&S conversion is the way to go.
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to OP, I think this will inspire you more
post #22782 https://www.bikeforums.net/18874156-post22782.html (not my bike)


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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Based on your last explanation, OP, you are seriously in need of a travel breakapart bike. I am assuming your travel will be by air. Disregard my comments if you are driving. A used Ritchey Breakaway frame complete with travel case is what you need. Or buy the LeMond and have it converted with S&S couplings and painted all at the same time. The Ritchey would be cheaper most likely.
The breakaway would be great advice but I will be driving, and taking the bike with me each time so I am not going to go that route.
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Don't replace the fork. That is a desperation move. If you want that bike to ride well without any issues, keep the original fork. A fork painting can't cost more than another $150. All assuming you don't take my travel bike advice.
I am not going to replace the fork when I buy the bike, unless I buy a frame without one. I will repaint it.
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to OP, I think this will inspire you more
post #22782 https://www.bikeforums.net/18874156-post22782.html (not my bike)

I do like the colors but wish that it was purple and green instead. When I powder coat the frame that I buy, I will leave off the LeMond stickers or whatever brand that I buy. I am going to look at a Waterford frame this evening. The pic that the guy showed was not the best but that is hard to tell. It sounds like it was his deceased relatives bike. He was not too clear on the size. He said that he thought it was a 60cm but his relative was only 5'08 so I am skeptical. I would prefer a 61cm but the 60 would be fine as I am 6'02. I am not getting my hopes up to much though..but it would be pretty awesome if it fit.
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I had my 2003 Fuji Roubaix Pro frame powdercoated. I had the carbon fork wet painted a different color and had them use that same wet paint on the frame to tie it together.



Edit: that picture doesn't show the paint very well...
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Its a LeMond so its not considered a classic (yet). I'd have the frame painted and maybe consider replacing the fork with an all carbon Reynolds or Ritchie one and just leave it back color. I think that's the best money spent on the fork if you want to go all out. Otherwise, a clean up, touch up and maybe a clear coat with existing frame and fork would be the cheapest way to go. You can decide how much $$ you want to spend...
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For the record I paid $200 for my Fuji frame and $250 for the powder/paint.
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I had my 2003 Fuji Roubaix Pro frame powdercoated. I had the carbon fork wet painted a different color and had them use that same wet paint on the frame to tie it together.



Edit: that picture doesn't show the paint very well...
It that the same bike you rode with me last year? If so, I didn't know that you could get knobbies on that thing. Cool.
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It that the same bike you rode with me last year? If so, I didn't know that you could get knobbies on that thing. Cool.
Yeah, same bike. 700x30s are a close fit.
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