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Poc Octal vs Kask Protone in terms of safety

Old 07-09-16, 02:16 PM
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Poc Octal vs Kask Protone in terms of safety

Well, thatīs my doubt, I canīt affors the Octal MIPS right now, what helmet do you think is a better buy in terms of safety, Poc Octal or Kask Protone?
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Old 07-09-16, 02:28 PM
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Which one fits you best?

The helmet that tests best may not work very well at all in a situation where fit is less than ideal.
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Old 07-09-16, 03:20 PM
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if the manufacturers or marketers were able to conclusively and convincing prove 1 helmet as safer than the other, you can trust they'd have shown so by now.



until then, you'll just have to go by the testimony of 'well i fell down last week at a stop light when i couldnt unclip fast enough, and my helmet cracked, so thats the best'
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Originally Posted by maltess2 View Post
Well, thatīs my doubt, I canīt affors the Octal MIPS right now, what helmet do you think is a better buy in terms of safety, Poc Octal or Kask Protone?
I don't think there is an advantage either way. I'd go for a cheaper helmet with MIPS over either one of these without.

FWIW, you can't get into a neurologist office for the price difference of the Octal with MIPS over without.

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Originally Posted by krusty View Post
Which one fits you best?

The helmet that tests best may not work very well at all in a situation where fit is less than ideal.
And if it doesn't fit well you will be less inclined to wear it...
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I just crushed my helmet. I've got a backup, but I've explored replacing it, especially once I became aware of MIPS technology. I'm not convinced MIPS is a significant advantage (I couldn't find any convincing tests) but it MIGHT be and MIPS helmets are probably designed and built with the latest thinking. So I'm going to get a MIPS helmet, although I would not delay riding until I get one. I read Consumer Reports and scanned some blurbs in cycling sites. So here are my thoughts, for whatever they are worth:
  1. Price is almost irrelevant. The old test and the MIPS tech apply to every single MIPS helmet. Unless you want a helmet with a face guard, in which case price may be relevant.
  2. I bought my Bell whatever (center adjustment in back to tighten if I don't have a sweatband) for $30. Bell is a great name, IMO, and I started wearing Bell full-face helmets on motorcycles when they were the only company making them (1965?). My backup is 100% identical except it was cleaner and I got it for $5 at a yard sale.
  3. But if I'm buying new, why not get a good looking helmet? So, looking at my clippings in Evernote, these are the helmets that I've picked to explore.
  4. Specialized Tactic $95 or Chamonix $75, Giro Revel $65, Bell Coast $65 or Stoker $95 or Lazer Beam $75
  5. PS - I need to get into a LBS to see how they fit before I can select anything.
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Old 07-09-16, 06:12 PM
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After a crash I decided to replace my helmet and did a ton of research. Bottom line seems that companies can't make claims outside of the fact that they met the US and/or European standards. My understanding is that the European standards are slightly more strict but I'm sure there are much smarter people on here that can give better details. The Kask didn't come up on my radar although the vents look pretty great although that means that the foam has to go somewhere else. The four helmets that came to the top of my radar were:

Hovdig - Great crash test data paid for by Hovdig, if the data is right then this is a pretty great device, not sure how you lock it up, seems impractical, are there scenarios where it doesn't deploy? - $500

POC Octal MIPS - Dual density foam (both in regular and MIPS helmet) seemed like a big plus, at the time according to MIPS and Sliding Resistance of Bicycle Helmets (not sure about now) was the only company that implemented MIPS the way the research intended (slippery surface (slip plane) between the helmet and MIPS layer). - Quite expensive, large diameter means that the angle between the head and body could be bigger in the event you end up thrown to the ground (I'm not a biomechanics guy so this may be an incorrect statement)

Smith Overtake MIPS - Has dual layer impact absorption (first the straws crush into your skull, followed by the foam) - does it really work? who knows but cool idea - Seemed like it would be very hot, also expensive.

Kali Maraka (they also have another more 'roadie' helmet - Similar or same? to POC Octal's thought about using dual density foam, not very expensive if you shop around, no MIPS (although I have hair for the helmet to slip around on). I called the manufacturer on this one and they were quite informative and quite enthusiastic. I also liked that there was an interview where the CEO basically said "yeah our helmet is heavier by a few grams but we also think it's safer".

I second the trying the helmet on approach as one important data point. For instance I talked to a lot of people that love Lazer helmets but I just couldn't dig their retention system even though others love it.
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