Ultegra vs 105
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11 speed is so much better. I ride for hours, days, and never a false or missed shift. Shifting between the rings is precise and dependable, and requires much less force applied to the lever. The feel of, and feedback from, both levers is decidedly superior to the 10 speed counterparts. The only thing these 2 generations have in common is the name 105.
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Just bought a 105 groupset from Ribble for $320, with the medium cage derailleur and 32t least cassette....just couldn't pass up the awesome deal. Replacing old 5500 / 6500 level stuff.
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Depends how much you ride.
> 4000 miles + 150K ft elevation /year: Ultegra
< 1000 miles/year / year: 105 or less
> 4000 miles + 150K ft elevation /year: Ultegra
< 1000 miles/year / year: 105 or less
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105 10-speed is miserable as far as shifting. I rode it for over 4 years, well over 15,000 miles. No matter how much, or how precisely I adjusted the cables, deraillers, et al, the shifting would revert to a guessing game. I want to think about other things when I'm riding.
11 speed is so much better. I ride for hours, days, and never a false or missed shift. Shifting between the rings is precise and dependable, and requires much less force applied to the lever. The feel of, and feedback from, both levers is decidedly superior to the 10 speed counterparts. The only thing these 2 generations have in common is the name 105.
11 speed is so much better. I ride for hours, days, and never a false or missed shift. Shifting between the rings is precise and dependable, and requires much less force applied to the lever. The feel of, and feedback from, both levers is decidedly superior to the 10 speed counterparts. The only thing these 2 generations have in common is the name 105.
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Including what? 53/39 crank, 11-32 cassette, cables and housings? Every verified weight I have seen has been around 2500g for the complete groupset with 50/34 and 11-25. Where are your extra 500 g coming from?
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Spoke to the owner of a lbs - he said that there really isn't much (if any) difference between 105 and Ultegra.
I spoke to the owner of another lbs - she said that the jump between 105 and Ultegra is the biggest among the Shimano groups.
My Felt Z85 has 105, and I can't imaging anything shifting much better than that. Smooth, quick & quiet. What more would I want?
I spoke to the owner of another lbs - she said that the jump between 105 and Ultegra is the biggest among the Shimano groups.
My Felt Z85 has 105, and I can't imaging anything shifting much better than that. Smooth, quick & quiet. What more would I want?
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Did you read the manual on setting up from derailleur? I ask because it's not the same as every other front derailleur and I had a tough time dialing it in with the first 11 speed Shimano group I installed until I broke out the manual. There is the cable distance converter with two settings and you are supposed to use their provided tool to decide which position is right for your frame. They also tell you to set cable tension in trim position which I don't think its standard for most front deraileur set ups
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Spoke to the owner of a lbs - he said that there really isn't much (if any) difference between 105 and Ultegra.
I spoke to the owner of another lbs - she said that the jump between 105 and Ultegra is the biggest among the Shimano groups.
My Felt Z85 has 105, and I can't imaging anything shifting much better than that. Smooth, quick & quiet. What more would I want?
I spoke to the owner of another lbs - she said that the jump between 105 and Ultegra is the biggest among the Shimano groups.
My Felt Z85 has 105, and I can't imaging anything shifting much better than that. Smooth, quick & quiet. What more would I want?
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IMO, there's very little difference between 5800 and 6800. I have 6800/685 on one bike and my wife's road bike is 5800. 5800 is awesome stuff (and way better than 5700). 6800 might prove to be slightly more durable than 5800 in the longer term, who knows. I have always gone with Ultegra (since it was called 600 and had friction DT shifters) and never had any issues. I'll continue to buy Ultegra. Yes, Ultegra costs more than 105, but amortized over the life of the group the extra cost is not really worth worrying about. Of course, this calculus changes a bit when considering a complete bike. DA is awesome but just not worth it unless you can easily afford it, IMO.
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It's all debatable really. The main reason I say Sora to Tiagra is because Tiagra and up all have the new brifter hood shape, new crank style and new style front derailleur. New Sora will have those features. Tourney to Claris is another jump because of the thumb buttons (Tourney still has thumb buttons, right?)
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It's all debatable really. The main reason I say Sora to Tiagra is because Tiagra and up all have the new brifter hood shape, new crank style and new style front derailleur. New Sora will have those features. Tourney to Claris is another jump because of the thumb buttons (Tourney still has thumb buttons, right?)
I tend to think "real" STIs are more important than hood shape, just my opinion, and the 4-arm crank overrated. The new cranks might be a stiffer if you're a crank bender, but they're also proprietary. Not just a proprietary BCD but the shape seems to be different for each tier so even if you mount rings they won't match up right.
I remember running the numbers once, FC-5750 is actually lighter than FC-5800 50/34. The Tiagra 4 arm cranks are heavier than the older Tiagra 5 arm cranks.
Tourney still has thumb buttons and still has bottom of the barrel (albeit functional) construction. Very plastic and lots of painted stamped steel, although Claris as a fair bit of it as well. Same RD found on Walmart bikes. Meant to be compatible with freewheels and so on.
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get the 105 bike, and put the money you save towards a nice set of wheels, which will be a much better upgrade than "upgrading" to Ultegra...
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"Verified" weights by whom? A complete 105 is nowhere near 2500g. At least not including everything you need for the actual groupset to work...
edit. accuracy
Last edited by Jay-W; 07-14-16 at 12:23 AM.
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Shift Levers - 485 grams
RD - 236 grams
FD - 91 grams
Crankset (50/34, 172.5) - 740 grams
Cassette (11/28) - 284 grams
Chain - 255 grams
Brake Calipers - 380 grams
That was 2471 grams with no BB or cabling. I forget the final weight with the cabling but it was absolutely over 2500g for a functional 105 5800 group set.
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It's not too far off, when we weighted a 105 5800 group set in the shop for a customer:
Shift Levers - 485 grams
RD - 236 grams
FD - 91 grams
Crankset (50/34, 172.5) - 740 grams
Cassette (11/28) - 284 grams
Chain - 255 grams
Brake Calipers - 380 grams
That was 2471 grams with no BB or cabling. I forget the final weight with the cabling but it was absolutely over 2500g for a functional 105 5800 group set.
Shift Levers - 485 grams
RD - 236 grams
FD - 91 grams
Crankset (50/34, 172.5) - 740 grams
Cassette (11/28) - 284 grams
Chain - 255 grams
Brake Calipers - 380 grams
That was 2471 grams with no BB or cabling. I forget the final weight with the cabling but it was absolutely over 2500g for a functional 105 5800 group set.
STI levers + cables - 550gms
FD - 90gms
RD - 238gms
Brakeset - 380gms
Crankset 52/36 172.5 - 790gms
Bottom bracket - 90gms
Chain(cut) - 250gms
Cassette 11-28 - 270gms
Total - 2658gms (no housing)
Last edited by Jay-W; 07-14-16 at 12:26 AM.
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I would definitely be upgrading wheels, although not likely right away. Admittedly I don't need ultegra, light wheels or even a light frame. My riding is sporadic and can go from 100 miles one week to only 30 miles over the next two weeks. A far lesser bike would suit my needs just fine, but nice things make life nicer. Since this will probably be the only bike I buy for the next decade or so, I'm thinking just get ultegra and end it, but it depends on what kind of deals I can find.
Where on LI are you? I've been checking out shops and will be hitting up Brands soon. any other recommended cannondale dealers?