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Looking into a 2ND Road Bike

Old 07-28-16, 05:23 PM
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Looking into a 2ND Road Bike

Hey guys,

First, my apologies for yet another which bike thread

I'm looking into getting a new road bike and am having a tough time.

Should I get THIS one from my Local Bike Shop:

Trek 1.1 C H2 - Fort Worth Cycling and Fitness - Fort Worth, TX 76116

Or THIS one from REI:


https://www.rei.com/product/875001/n...a-5d-bike-2016


The one from REI has cool disc brakes ( don't worry, I don't bike competitively lol) and looks like better components.

But the Trek is from a Brand and Shop I know and trust.
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If I was going to go looking for a new bike right now The Trek Store is the first and likely the only place I'd go. With that said, I'd take the Novara from REI over the Trek 1.1. I'd rather not have the mechanical disc brakes on an all out road bike but if this is a second road bike and if it would handle 32C tires this would be a great choice (some gravel grinder feasibility).
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Originally Posted by dksix View Post
If I was going to go looking for a new bike right now The Trek Store is the first and likely the only place I'd go. With that said, I'd take the Novara from REI over the Trek 1.1. I'd rather not have the mechanical disc brakes on an all out road bike but if this is a second road bike and if it would handle 32C tires this would be a great choice (some gravel grinder feasibility).
Why not the disc brakes? I thought those were better.

The "gravel grinder" is tempting, though. My other bike is a Trek 1220.
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Originally Posted by dksix View Post
If I was going to go looking for a new bike right now The Trek Store is the first and likely the only place I'd go. With that said, I'd take the Novara from REI over the Trek 1.1. I'd rather not have the mechanical disc brakes on an all out road bike but if this is a second road bike and if it would handle 32C tires this would be a great choice (some gravel grinder feasibility).
Between these 2, I would take the Novara from REI as well.

But, from learning the hard way, I would buy neither, and shell out an extra $300-$600 for something a little better.
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I would eliminate the Trek, low end components and not an upgrade from much of anything, since you already have a functional bike. The REI bike seems fine for the price IF you want a gravel bike. If you want another road bike, save for something nicer or buy used on CL or whatever.
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Originally Posted by shafter View Post
Why not the disc brakes? I thought those were better.

The "gravel grinder" is tempting, though. My other bike is a Trek 1220.
I've only been riding for a year. When I started looking at road bikes disc brakes were at the top of the list of desired features. In a thread or 2 here I argued the superiority of hydraulic brakes based on my experience with motor cycles and atv's (I've owned both with stock non-disc mechanical brakes which I upgraded to hydraulic disc brakes) but a year later and a couple thousand miles riding I will admit I was wrong. Every bike I've looked at the specs on, compared like models where the only real differences where one having disc and one didn't the non disc was lighter, better equipped or cheaper. I have also developed complete confidence in the stopping power and control that my Ultegra 6700 caliper brakes on carbon fiber provide, finding that in both wet and dry conditions the tire is the limiting factor in being able to stop. With that I'd rather have lighter, cheaper and/or a higher level group set than cool looking disc brakes.

I completely understand wanting to stay with a brand you own and are happy with and as I said, Trek as a brand would be my first choice but choosing between the 2 bikes you linked based strictly on specs the REI bike looks to be the better value. If I bought it I'd be on the look out for a good price on a hydraulic brake set but even used on eBay at a bargain price that's going to get you in the $300-$400 range and for that you're getting close to an Ultegra equipped CF bike that will probably be about 4 pounds lighter.
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Originally Posted by dksix View Post
I've only been riding for a year. When I started looking at road bikes disc brakes were at the top of the list of desired features. In a thread or 2 here I argued the superiority of hydraulic brakes based on my experience with motor cycles and atv's (I've owned both with stock non-disc mechanical brakes which I upgraded to hydraulic disc brakes) but a year later and a couple thousand miles riding I will admit I was wrong. Every bike I've looked at the specs on, compared like models where the only real differences where one having disc and one didn't the non disc was lighter, better equipped or cheaper. I have also developed complete confidence in the stopping power and control that my Ultegra 6700 caliper brakes on carbon fiber provide, finding that in both wet and dry conditions the tire is the limiting factor in being able to stop. With that I'd rather have lighter, cheaper and/or a higher level group set than cool looking disc brakes.

I completely understand wanting to stay with a brand you own and are happy with and as I said, Trek as a brand would be my first choice but choosing between the 2 bikes you linked based strictly on specs the REI bike looks to be the better value. If I bought it I'd be on the look out for a good price on a hydraulic brake set but even used on eBay at a bargain price that's going to get you in the $300-$400 range and for that you're getting close to an Ultegra equipped CF bike that will probably be about 4 pounds lighter.
Thanks for the great reply! So you say discs aren't the better than calipers?
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What do you do with your first road bike and what do you plan to do with the second one?
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
I would eliminate the Trek, low end components and not an upgrade from much of anything, since you already have a functional bike. The REI bike seems fine for the price IF you want a gravel bike. If you want another road bike, save for something nicer or buy used on CL or whatever.
Is there a difference between gravel and road? I'm looking for a BETTER road bike than my 1220 ( which is in great condition).
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
What do you do with your first road bike and what do you plan to do with the second one?
The first: Recreational and fitness rides, as well as some organized bike rides.

I'm looking to do the same with the new one, with an emphasis on longer faster rides. But I'm trying to get something nicer than my 18 year old used bike.
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Is there a difference between gravel and road? I'm looking for a BETTER road bike than my 1220 ( which is in great condition).
I'm having a hard time not saying something rude here. Yes there is a HUGE difference between a gravel worthy bike and one that is only appropriate for the paved road.

I would wait and grow your budget or look on Craigslist to get something nicer that is lightly used (carbon fiber can be had for a few hundred dollars more).

If I had to choose between the two options you gave I would definitely go with the REI bike with 105 components...huge upgrade from the Claris on the Trek.
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Lots of overlap with gravel and road bikes. I tried to find the specs for the REI bike and it seems as if 25mm or 32mm is max tire size, depending on which answer from REI. That wouldn't make for a great gravel bike either, IMO. Since you have clarified your intended use, I'll say buy neither. You can probably find a nice used Ultegra 10 speed bike for your price or a little more. Hold out for something you will not be looking to upgrade in another 6 months.
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So you really aren't looking for a "second" bike but rather to replace you daily ride with something better, relegating it to grocery-getter, etc.

Based on what is easy to find online, you have a 1998 Trek 1220 with a 52-42-30 triple and RSX components, aluminum frame and fork? It is sort of a fast road tourer, and you are looking for something a little lighter and racier, (because you will still have the Trek for hauling stuff,) with modern components and performance?

Nashbar 105 Road Bike (https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Produc...75_-1___204687) $950
Nashbar Carbon 105 Road Bike (https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Produc...99_-1___204687) $1200

Both a little more than you are planning to spend but believe me ... if you buy too little and are stuck with it, you will not get any satisfaction from the extras few hundred dollars in your wallet, and if you buy a really excellent bike, you will divide those few hundred dollars over hundreds and hundreds of miles of pleasure.

Save up a few weeks extra if you need to, and buy more upfront. If you are going to be riding this new bike for 18 years .......
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Originally Posted by shafter View Post
Thanks for the great reply! So you say discs aren't the better than calipers?
No, I'm saying that on my road bike with the limited riding I've done my 6700 brakes leave nothing to be desired. I've never done a long steep descent during a down pour in a pace line at 50 mph but I can say with certainty that my caliper brakes won't be the weak link in that chain.

I don't know which caliper brakes are better or worse than mine, that's why I've specified Ultegra 6700. I read more than once that the 6700's were great brakes and I bought mine on eBay for something like $35 when I was piecing my bike together. My brake pads were supplied with my Chinese CF wheelset and that combo has been great, and yes, even the few times I was caught out in the rain.

Like I said, if I could go out and buy a bike with the new hydraulic Dura Ace I would but I can't afford such an expense. I assume you don't believe that either of the bikes you linked to be the best bikes on the market and that you're looking for the best within your budget. From the shopping I've done at various price points the bike with caliper brakes will be better equipped and lighter than the bike with disc brakes at that same price point. The disc brakes may very well be better than the caliper brakes but the caliper brakes are far better than I am. But I am a rider that can benefit from a bike weighing 2-4 pounds less or a groupset that's a little smoother, or a little more comfortable due to better bars or CF seat post. Those are the little things that matter to me.
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Originally Posted by shafter View Post
The first: Recreational and fitness rides, as well as some organized bike rides.

I'm looking to do the same with the new one, with an emphasis on longer faster rides. But I'm trying to get something nicer than my 18 year old used bike.
I told you the bike I'd choose and why between the 2 you linked but also told you why I wouldn't choose it if I had other options. To be perfectly frank, I'd recommend the Nashbar carbon 105 that @Maelochs linked. They send out coupons almost daily, today's is 21% off making it about $950 but up to 30% off is pretty regularly which gets it down to $900.

Or you could go the route I went, start looking for a framset you want, the wheelset you want, and the groupset.............somewhere between $1000-$1500 you'll have a bike you really love, or at least I did. Good luck with all of that.
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I'd like to point out posts #6 and #16 by dksix as worth a second read. These are well articulated posts that show how a new cyclist can keep an open mind and learn. Good advice there.
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Thanks. Maelochs, you hit the nail on the head with post number 13!
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I don't think there's any better value out there than the Nashbar bikes right now if you don't mind assembling your own bike.
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You're looking at a bike with an alloy fork for longer rides??? I wouldn't. Just had this conversation last night with another guy who's looking at budget priced bikes. He went from a metal fork to a carbon fork and seat post on a aluminum Cannondale frame. Said he'll never go back. As the miles go up, those shock absorbing materials make a difference. IMHO, as others have said, I'd pass on both bikes you opened with and look for another option.
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Well, yesterday I went to the bike shop to test ride the Trek 1.2. I spoke with the manager and told him I needed a 56 size bike. He looked at me funy and said "Really?" He then sat me on a few different sized bikes to demonstrate the size I needed, which was actually a 54cm. He then pointed me to a used bike they had in my size: a Giant Defy with almost full 105, clipless pedals, and carbon fork and seatpost. It was priced at $800.

Well, two hours later, after a quick test ride, I had bought it. MAN this thing is amazing! The bike has passed from something I hauled up the hills to a more abstract entity, whose sole purpose is transforming power into speed. I did 38 miles on it this afternoon.
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Excellent choice.
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There you go! Nice bike.
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I would say depends on what you're doing.

For example, you might want a different gearing or crank, etc.

Always nice to have a backup, tho.
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Did you change pedals?Your post says it came with clipless but the images has clips
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Did you change pedals?Your post says it came with clipless but the images has clips
Yes it did. However, I don't yet own shoes for it, so I switched them over. Those pedals do look rather ugly on that bike though!
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