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Old 05-17-05, 09:57 AM
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Man fired for wearing LiveStrong... update

Here is the latest news story. https://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...o_kcra/2724571 See the "Man fired for wearing LiveStrong Braclet" for the original story.
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Old 05-17-05, 10:11 AM
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I think it's great that the company is giving $10,000 to LAF; it's far more than the former employee's contribution that came as a result of his buying the bracelet; not to mention more publicity for LAF. It's also pretty cool that they are sponsoring $20,000 on the guy's ACS relay . . . how many companies would do that for a former employee?!

Very shrewd move by Claim Jumper; great way to preserve their commitment to their policies while avoiding the appearance of being an uncaring megacorp.

Hopefully the guy can find a new job somewhere that they don't have such restrictive policies.
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I never heard of "Claim jumper", but if one open up around here I will support them. This is a good move for them, even if it was planned.
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Originally Posted by Ebbtide
I never heard of "Claim jumper", but if one open up around here I will support them. This is a good move for them, even if it was planned.
Are you sure? Claim Jumper is a restaurant for gluttons and people unconcerned with their health or what they put into their bodies. Take a look at the menu...
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Are you sure? Claim Jumper is a restaurant for gluttons and people unconcerned with their health or what they put into their bodies. Take a look at the menu...
Not in all cases.

Yes, they have some of the most INSANE portions of food ever served in the history of mankind. However, it a nice family place. I eat there a couple times a year and I'm certainly concerned about my health and what I put into my body... but sometimes it's fun to just pig out too. You only live once afterall. Their baby back ribs are to die for, and you might since the platter probably weighs 10lbs... lol.
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I'll admit I didn't pay much attention to this story at first, but if the only reason for firing this guy was the bracelt--$30,000 is a lot to pay to get rid of a guy for wearing a bracelet to work, especially considering you need to hire someone to replace them too. It looks to me like a good way for this company to avoid the potential lawsuit by LAF....
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Originally Posted by martin_j001
I'll admit I didn't pay much attention to this story at first, but if the only reason for firing this guy was the bracelt--$30,000 is a lot to pay to get rid of a guy for wearing a bracelet to work, especially considering you need to hire someone to replace them too. It looks to me like a good way for this company to avoid the potential lawsuit by LAF....
There's a thread about this already somewhere on the Forums... the general thinking was that there's more to the story that we aren't hearing... if this guy was a valuable employee, CJ wouldn't have let him go for something like this. My bet is that he was a troublemaker and they used this as an excuse to get rid of him, then the negative publicity sort of bit them in the ass. The subsequent donation is obviously a PR tool to do a little damage control for having a negative story written about them.

Question: I could understand the guy suing (I don't think he should win however). But why would you think LAF should or even could sue? If a person gets fired for wearing jewelry or clothes that violate a dress code, the maker of the clothes doesn't get to sue the employer... that would be silly...
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Originally Posted by Smaug
There's a thread about this already somewhere on the Forums... the general thinking was that there's more to the story that we aren't hearing... if this guy was a valuable employee, CJ wouldn't have let him go for something like this. My bet is that he was a troublemaker and they used this as an excuse to get rid of him, then the negative publicity sort of bit them in the ass. The subsequent donation is obviously a PR tool to do a little damage control for having a negative story written about them.

Question: I could understand the guy suing (I don't think he should win however). But why would you think LAF should or even could sue? If a person gets fired for wearing jewelry or clothes that violate a dress code, the maker of the clothes doesn't get to sue the employer... that would be silly...

All true, I guess in the end all it would do is provide a lot of negative publicity for the company. I'm sure LAF wouldn't sue, but if the guy himself decided to there may be a little extra funding provided by LAF for him to hire lawyers and all--maybe trying to sway everything to their side. Besides, can't you sue anyone in the US for anything now??
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Originally Posted by martin_j001
I'll admit I didn't pay much attention to this story at first, but if the only reason for firing this guy was the bracelt--$30,000 is a lot to pay to get rid of a guy for wearing a bracelet to work, especially considering you need to hire someone to replace them too. It looks to me like a good way for this company to avoid the potential lawsuit by LAF....
"Potential lawsuit by LAF" . . . you are kidding, right? The company was well within its rights to fire the guy for not removing the bracelet when asked to. They were merely enforcing their company policy. He was fired for not complying with company policy (and probably insubordination), not for "wearing a bracelet" (though that does make a great sound bite).

If any lawsuits were to occur, they'd be filed by the employee, or perhaps a class of similar employees, but if you'd read the last line of the article it says both parties are happy with the outcome so that does not seem likely.
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Originally Posted by martin_j001
All true, I guess in the end all it would do is provide a lot of negative publicity for the company. I'm sure LAF wouldn't sue, but if the guy himself decided to there may be a little extra funding provided by LAF for him to hire lawyers and all--maybe trying to sway everything to their side. Besides, can't you sue anyone in the US for anything now??
Oh yes, silly me... for a moment I forgot what country I was in... I suppose if a woman can sue McD's for serving her hot coffee, then LAF could sue for this.

However, I doubt LAF would get behind this guy. They wouldn't want to spend the time, money, resources and publicity on something like this. What if the guy was a total deadbeat? Then LAF would have to explain why they supported a looser employee. As I said before, I have a really good feeling that there's more to this guys history than just the LAF bracelet. Frankly, I would be critical of LAF if they were to provide support for this dude, (not that they've made any indication of doing so, I'm being hypothetical) my donation money is meant to do to research, not to fund silly lawsuits defending morons who don't have enough sense to conform to a dress code at work. (I've been wearing "uniforms" most of my life, and I've somehow managed to maintain an individual identity).

/rant...
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Old 05-17-05, 11:10 AM
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^^Yeah, true again. Like I said, I never read the first thread on the topic--it certainly sounds as if there was more to the story than what is being told.
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Originally Posted by Smaug
Oh yes, silly me... for a moment I forgot what country I was in... I suppose if a woman can sue McD's for serving her hot coffee, then LAF could sue for this.

However, I doubt LAF would get behind this guy.

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Honestly guys, on what grounds do you think LAF could even possibly bring a case? It has nothing to do with them.
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^^I'm pretty sure everyone is agreeing with you.... In my original post, it was supposed to be somewhat of a joke (since this is all occuring in the lawsuit-happy US of A), and it was continued by another poster. Remove seatpost from anus, continue riding.......
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Originally Posted by 'nother
Honestly guys, on what grounds do you think LAF could even possibly bring a case? It has nothing to do with them.
I was being sarcastic in that first sentence... the should have been the tipoff. I 100% agree that there is no basis for LAF to sue or to support this guy in any way... it's a non-starter. I was just thinking out loud and tossing around a few of many reasons why LAF wouldn't want to be involved. I agree that this isn't their fight anymore than Old Navy would be involved if I wore one of their bikini's to work. BTW, I'm a doctor, so the bikini thing wouldn't inspire confidence with my patients.

I'm also a guy.
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Originally Posted by Smaug
I'm also a guy.
My mind feels...


violated...
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Sure there are a lot of facts we don’t have. But why assume that he was a “lousy employee” or that the Company was just enforcing a “dress code” and that that makes it OK? Maybe he was, and maybe the Company was, but we don’t know that. And even if he’s a lousy employee, why shouldn’t the Company fire him for being a lousy employee rather than trumping up some dress code cop-out violation. What kind of kangaroo justice is that for someone to lose his job over. (Not to mention that, if he was doing something lousy, and no one tells him what it is, he’ll never be able to improve on the next job he gets. It’s not fair.)

If it’s a dress code, shouldn’t a Company have to have some basis for squelching an employee’s individual expression? It’s gotta be a pretty control-oriented employer to object to wrist band – a standard form of decoration in the western world (watches/bracelets) for centuries. It’s not like it could get caught in a machine or something. Maybe a Company can have a dress code like that, if the employees agree, but I sure would want to see some more facts before I conclude that it’s a good idea. [sorry about the rant]
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There must be more to this story that we're not hearing. My cynical side wants to say that the game was rigged from the beginning. First, the guy was fired over something that was pretty silly, then the company gives $30,000 (corporate chump change) to LAF? It sounds like clever public-relations and cheap advertising to me.

But then, I used to make a living pulling-off similar stunts in the PR world.
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Originally Posted by Joe S

If it’s a dress code, shouldn’t a Company have to have some basis for squelching an employee’s individual expression? It’s gotta be a pretty control-oriented employer to object to wrist band – a standard form of decoration in the western world (watches/bracelets) for centuries. It’s not like it could get caught in a machine or something.
No, a private company can pretty much do what they want provided they don't discriminate based on age, sex, sexual orientation, etc. I'm sure they have a handbook that clearly spells out what is and isn't acceptable. And as a food service employee his wristband might be a health issue- same reason employees must wash hands before returning to work.

Originally Posted by Joe S
Maybe a Company can have a dress code like that, if the employees agree, but I sure would want to see some more facts before I conclude that it’s a good idea. [sorry about the rant]
Why would employees have to agree? Employers set the rules and workers either obey or are free to leave (or be terminated). Granted, in a strong union shop there might be more leeway but I can bet CJ's employees aren't represented by a union.

I'm not saying I agree completely but I work in a dress code company and although it sucks it's their right.

One more thought...the donations the company is making are tax deductible.
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I say after this I would never eat at a Claim Jumper.

Donating $30k to cancer research is just a PR stunt designed to hide the fact that they treat their employees in an awful manner. Honestly it's chump change for a corporation who likely is donating anyways for the tax benefits.

Of course I've never even heard of Claim Jumper so it's pretty easy for me to say "I'll never eat there"!
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I know in the USAF, you can't wear them due to the fact that they're yellow... which is pretty lame especially after watching people walk around wearing different colored bands on their watches, different bright metal braclets (including POW ones!)

but then again alot of things about the USAF is pretty lame...
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There has to be more to it, as others have stated. And I don't think that this is any reason to become an activist either way as far as Claim Jumper goes. They might very well have a policy that forbids such things, enforced said policy and it backfired. They might be a horrible place to work, in which case the guy's really better off and should have been looking for a different tending job elsewhere anyway. Or maybe the guy's an incompetent fool and this was the only thing his boss could get rid of him for.
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Originally Posted by Joe S
If it’s a dress code, shouldn’t a Company have to have some basis for squelching an employee’s individual expression?
this topic is getting played out, so I'm going to pass on commenting about things such as "it's not fair".

My last response to this will be to answer the question above.

My answer:

No.
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Originally Posted by MERTON
that woman was burned pretty badly. if the coffee had been only 150 degree it wouldn't have destroyed some of her muscle tissue.
LOL... thanks for the chuckle...

oh wait, you're serious...

"Destroyed some of her muscle tissue?" dude... I'd LOVE to see the evidence for that. I may be a young doctor, but I did go to medical school and let me tell you... a cup of coffee, no matter how hot, as long as it's still cool enough to be in liquid form, DID NOT damage her muscles. It just doesn't contain enough energy to get through all the layers of skin, subcutaneous fat, protective layers around the muscle etc.

Maybe if she had a 10 gallon bucket of 250F coffee poured over her... or if the coffee was so hot as to turn into stream... maybe... but not a 10 oz. cup... no way.
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that McDonald's coffee incident was a legitimate case

there are plenty of ABSURD court cases in this country, but that one isn't one of them. Those were extremely serious burns.
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Originally Posted by Smaug
Maybe if she had a 10 gallon bucket of 250F coffee poured over her... or if the coffee was so hot as to turn into stream... maybe... but not a 10 oz. cup... no way.
Maybe she supersized it.
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