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Saddle chafing: chamois cream or saddle?

Old 08-18-16, 07:02 AM
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Saddle chafing: chamois cream or saddle?

Hello all,

I've been trying out many different saddles over the past few weeks/ months, and all of them give me chafing on the upper thighs on long rides, where the lower part of my butt rubs the sides of the saddle. This causes pain and irritated skin.

I've been trying saddles anywhere from 158mm (way too wide) width to 130mm (too narrow for my sitbones).

The Selle Italia C2 (135mm wide) that I have seems to be the right width for my sitbones. I tried a 130mm and this did not support my sitbones properly. However, I still get chafing on 3+ hour rides.

Could this problem be solved by using chamois cream? (I've never used it), or do I just need to keep looking for a better suiting saddle? Or could this problem be due to other things (bad fit)?

Thanks!
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I don't use CHamois cream with my current saddle but nearly almost did with the stock saddle that came with my bike.
So maybe a saddle change will help, also make sure you are fitted properly.
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Body Glide. Problem solved.



$10 for a stick. Lasts a whole season. Get it at any sporting goods or running store.

https://www.bodyglide.com/


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Check your bicycle fit. Make sure your saddle is the correct height. If it is too low, you'll have all sorts of extra friction. If it is too high, you'll be rocking from side to side, creating friction.
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Old 08-18-16, 08:33 AM
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if nothing else works try wearing an unpadded liner under your shorts. I like the Nike Power Tech myself and up to 20 miles I just wear those especially when its cooler and I am not sweating.
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Old 08-18-16, 09:58 AM
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I am also facing same problem but not got any proper solution yet with long drives.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Body Glide. Problem solved.



$10 for a stick. Lasts a whole season. Get it at any sporting goods or running store.

https://www.bodyglide.com/


-Tim-
Interesting, I will give that stuff a try, see if it helps. Thanks!

I know it could be the saddle, but I've tried so many different saddles already, I don't know if I want to keep swapping saddles.

I think my saddle height is OK. I've been experimenting with the saddle height when I first got the bike, and my current height keeps me back and hand pain free.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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Old 08-18-16, 10:19 AM
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Try chamois cream and see if it helps. They sell single serving packets for cheap. I use it all the time just to be safe.

ETA: I don't mean I use it all the time, just all the time I'm riding a bike. I'm not wearing taint lube to work.
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Old 08-18-16, 10:35 AM
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I'd suggest keep looking at saddles. It shouldn't be hard to design a saddle that supports your sitbones but doesn't chafe you. That doesn't mean anyone does make such a saddle. But it might be out there. If it is and you are not riding it, you are compromising.

The trend is for bike shop to offer saddles that you can ride long enough to see if they work, then bring them back for full credit toward another if it doesn't. A shop here in Portland takes it a step further. For $25 you can "take out" a saddle from their library of saddles, literally a wall of shelves of around 25 different saddles. Return it a week later and take out another. Find one you like and the $25 will go toward a new, boxed one.

Chamois fats, Body Glide, etc all have their place, but are not good substitutes for poor fitting saddles.

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Originally Posted by memebag View Post
I'm not wearing taint lube to work.

Let the games begin.
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Originally Posted by memebag View Post
I'm not wearing taint lube to work.

There's nothing wrong with doing it. Nobody likes monkey crack.
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To prevent or at least minimize chafing exactly as described by the OP, I need a saddle more T shaped than pear shaped, plus a very smooth easy roll-over from top to skirt, exactly like the saddles in this thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...ese-years.html

Plus I use Bag Balm. I think having long and large hams makes this sort of chafing more of a problem. It's a personal configuration issue.
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Originally Posted by aplcr0331 View Post
There's nothing wrong with doing it. Nobody likes monkey crack.

Unless he's a woman, he doesn't have a taint:


https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-called-a-taint
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With how many different shorts has this happened?

Also consider skin condition, fungus, laundry detergent, & diet.

Chamois creme is useful, but generally not needed for 3 hr rides.
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Originally Posted by maartendc View Post
Interesting, I will give that stuff a try, see if it helps. Thanks!

I know it could be the saddle, but I've tried so many different saddles already, I don't know if I want to keep swapping saddles.

I think my saddle height is OK. I've been experimenting with the saddle height when I first got the bike, and my current height keeps me back and hand pain free.

Thanks for the suggestions.
I just saw this. Raises a red flag in my mind. Back and hands comfort are dictated by the relationship of the saddle and yur handlebars (and handlebar/brake setup). But (and this is a huge "but") your handlebar setup should NEVER, NEVER be dictating saddle position. Think of your hips, legs, feet, shoes, pedals, cranks and bottom bracket as being the pistons, cranks and crankshaft in a car. These all want t be fitted to each other to fine tolerances. While the designers and machinists are working out those details they are not concerned with where the engine mounts are or how they will be done. And they certainly don't shorten or lengthen the cranks to improve the position of the oilpan relative to the front axle.

Your seat should be in the best place relative to the bottom bracket for your legs. That includes height, the tilt of the seat and where it sits forward and back. Now all of these will affect the seat-handlebar relationship and how your back and hands feel, big time. Be patient. Change your handlebar settings as you go to keep the bike rideable while you deal with the seat. Not until you know the seat is close to optimum can you figure out where your handlebars really should be.

Again, be patient. This is the most important aspect of fitting a bike. For some of us, it happens over decades. (And then our bodies change and we are at it again.) Don't get discouraged. A bike that is dialed in to your body will be a joy to ride for hours, even to spend all day on. Start this journey of dialing in your seat position (and seat type). Feel free to curse me as you go through setups that aren't there yet and those handlebars, well they really need attention, but sorry hands, you attention is elsewhere. When you do get the bike dialed in, well you will have long forgotten about me, but your butt, legs and all the rest of your body will thank you.

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Originally Posted by maartendc View Post
I've tried so many different saddles already, I don't know if I want to keep swapping saddles.

Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
I'd suggest keep looking at saddles.

The definition of insanity.


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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Unless he's a woman, he doesn't have a taint:


https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-called-a-taint
Every animal without a cloaca has a taint, I think.


See Urban Dictionary: taint.
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79pmooney,

I don't get it - if maartendc's back and hands (and presumably knees) are pain-free, isn't it likely his seat height, fore-aft position, and tilt are pretty close to right on?

Not trolling - I'm working to solve my own problems with numbness and too much weight on hands.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Unless he's a woman, he doesn't have a taint:


https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-called-a-taint

Monkey crack is not isolated in the taint. It affects the entire assiular region. Inflamed, red, stinky, sore, raw, protruding flesh peeling monkey crack knows no gender barriers.


It's a silent affliction that affects many.
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Originally Posted by aplcr0331 View Post
Monkey crack is not isolated in the taint. It affects the entire assiular region. Inflamed, red, stinky, sore, raw, protruding flesh peeling monkey crack knows no gender barriers.


It's a silent affliction that affects many.

My point was that, despite what the more common use of the term taint may be today, it originally referred only to an area possessed by females. See the link I posted.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
My point was that, despite what the more common use of the term taint may be today, it originally referred only to an area possessed by females. See the link I posted.
The term could just as easily be a a contraction of "it ain't neither scrotum nor sphincter". Your link provides no evidence to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
My point was that, despite what the more common use of the term taint may be today, it originally referred only to an area possessed by females. See the link I posted.





But I appreciate the history lesson professor.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
The definition of insanity.


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I'll take issue with that. If the saddle location and position isn't dialed in yet, it could well be that no saddle will be truly comfortable. Stopping short of getting all that right and continuing to ride in discomfort, is that sanity?

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Originally Posted by philbob57 View Post
79pmooney,

I don't get it - if maartendc's back and hands (and presumably knees) are pain-free, isn't it likely his seat height, fore-aft position, and tilt are pretty close to right on?

Not trolling - I'm working to solve my own problems with numbness and too much weight on hands.
Back and hand comfort are about handlebar to seat relationship and the tilt of your seat, ie pelvis tilt. All that can be very comfortable and still leave the rider with a seat that is too high or low, forward or back causing both seat pain issues and pedaling inefficiencies (and quite possibly, knee issues). What I am saying is that the seat issue comes first. Yes, you may well have to mess around with handlebars to keep the bike rideable while you dial in the saddle, but don't mess with the saddle to get the upper body issues right. One you have the saddle where it should be, now play with the bars, brakes, etc.

Again, think about my automobile analogy. Handlebars are about placing and mounting the engine in the chassis. Bottom bracket, cranks, pedals, feet, legs and hips ARE the engine, the pistons, cranks and crankshaft. The engine designer cars not at all where his engine is going to be placed in the car. But details relating to the crankshaft, crank and pistons he will be obsessed with. Yes, he does have to design and engineer the engine mounts that secure the engine in the proper place. Still, that gets zero thought until all of the rest of the engine block is designed.

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