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Enve SES 4.5 AR - thoughts?

Old 01-04-17, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Manner View Post

Thanks Mark - you've been very helpful...I'm following your approach and have the Pro Ones, Schalbe Easy Fit and Orange sealant on order. I'm hoping to avoid levers altogether.

I found it strange that Enve changed their recommendation at some point. Note below, they originally seemed to be endorsing the Continental GP4K IIs for a period. That seems to have changed somehow...Enve has provided me a generic answer describing the attributes of tubeless, but I've been curious to understand to potential ill-effects of running the Contis with tubes as an alternative.

Tell us about your impressions on the road?!

Previous recommendation:
I received this response from Enve today...I was very please with the disclosure...

Thanks for getting back in touch! That table was actually a misprint, and we've recently updated it on our website to show that traditional clincher tires are not compatible with the AR rims. We've seen traditional clincher tires blow off the rim, even at lower pressures which could obviously result in an unsafe situation.
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Old 01-11-17, 04:04 PM
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Mine arrived. In Winthrop. Girlfriend doesn't have two days in a row off this month (peak season in her industry) and it's a 240 mile drive each way. I knew it was a risk ordering from them but they're a great shop and I wanted to give them my business. Hoped the wheels would have arrived in time for my ski trip last month.
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They likely received them by truck so I'd have them put the wheels back in the packaging in which they arrived, slap on a FedEx/UPS label and send them your way. The $30 that'll cost would be far easier to swallow for me than driving 480 miles to pick them up.

But given how adventurous you seem, why not bike over to the shop, put the new wheels on your bike and the current wheels on your back and ride home? Seems like a fun way to kill a few days.
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Beth said she's willing to call in sick on a Monday. We can leave Saturday night, stay in a nice hotel, and maybe ski together or do a hot air balloon ride or something on Sunday while they set the bike up for me. It's a beautiful town at the foot of my favorite mountains.
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So I told Beth I want to go to Winthrop (where the bike shop is) as soon as possible. She got excited, told me she can take Tuesday and Wednesday off next week, and she'll consider it her birthday trip. Our favorite hotel has a vacant cabin those days. It's $200 a night but right next to the river and has a big, private hot tub. There's a shuttle now so you can ski from one town to the next and get a free ride back to your car.

Ideally I'd want to bring my bike, and go for a ride immediately. I'd have to drive 15 miles to find a road that's been plowed, though. And I don't think I'm comfortable putting my bike and skis in the car together.
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Finally got the Schwalbes mounted...





This tool was instrumental in mounting the tires the first time:


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They look great. now time to wear off the tire molding hangers-on! (and see if you find a little orange residue on the rims after riding-I did, but only the first time).
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I picked mine up on Tuesday. Drove four hours to Winthrop to get them, six and a half hours back home through a winter storm.

They came with end caps to use a quick release, but you need a tool to change them out. So I'm hoping I can take care of that on my lunch break today. Need to get some rotors and tires, too.

I love them! I got two ski days I wouldn't have otherwise had because of them. And in the Methow Trail system!
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I picked mine up on Tuesday. Drove four hours to Winthrop to get them, six and a half hours back home through a winter storm.

They came with end caps to use a quick release, but you need a tool to change them out. So I'm hoping I can take care of that on my lunch break today. Need to get some rotors and tires, too.

I love them! I got two ski days I wouldn't have otherwise had because of them. And in the Methow Trail system!
Hi, re that tool, you really don't have to have it to pop the ends off the axles to put on the thru axle adapters. I used a couple of Pedro's tire levers to push up on the lip of the thing and they popped off ok. If you have a vise, you can also put some hard rubber on the jaws and gently hold the axle end pieces and jiggle the wheel and it pops off too (that is what that tool does, assuming you are referring to the Park tool made for that).
Glad you have them,
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Huh. I just saw your post. There's a Performance Bike almost across the street from where I work, they didn't charge me to change the end caps, they just wanted to fondle the wheels. I brought them two six packs of Fat Tire Ale to say thanks.

Now I just need rotors and tires. Having a hard time finding either locally.
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Now I just need rotors and tires. Having a hard time finding either locally.
Everyone seems to really like the Schwalbe Pro Ones in 28mm. I think rotors are primarily an aesthetic choice. Some like the shimano ice look, others don't. I have a powertap rear wheel, and the closest front rotor match to it seems to be the TRP rotor, so that is what I got.
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Centerlock or IS 6-bolt?

If centerlock, you may want to wait for these to be available: wiggle.com | Shimano Dura Ace Ice Tech Freeza Center-Lock Rotor | Disc Brake Rotors

They aren't any lighter than the XTR rotors (the 140mm XTR RT-99 rotor on my desk weighs 95 grams w/o lockring, 102 grams with) but they sure look cool.
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Very brief maiden voyage tonight. No good pics. It's Beth's birthday tomorrow so this can't be a priority.

Holy crap, though, they ride nice.
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I hang the bike up on the wall. Every time I pull it down to get ready for a ride, the valve stems are always at the bottom.
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Enve offers in (3) different hubs.
What is the negatives and positives of R45 Ceramic?
There is a $200 difference between the R45 and Ceramic version - any performance difference? Worth it?

Thanks
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Ceramic might buy you 1/2 watt at 35 mph. Not worth it.
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So the performance advantage is "not worth it".
Any idea whether it requires more maintenance than the regular R45?
Thanks
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No idea. I went with DT 240 hubs. Honestly, it's the rims we're buying these wheels for, you might as well flip a coin. Or call Enve or ask the dealership you're going to buy them through.

(If you ever have a warranty issue, which you shouldn't, it'll be a little faster if you went through a dealer.)
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My brother went to LBS and ordered one with R45. I should have it Thu
Your posts educate me more than my LBS....
Thank you.
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Really? You're going to have it by Thursday? Mine took a freaking month to arrive.

Make sure you put tubeless ready tires on your new wheels, whether you use a tube or not. No folding, bead tires. The Enve folks say that's really important to not **** things up.
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I got my first decent ride in on them today. I've been riding them every day after work, but that doesn't give me much time.

Today was pretty gusty. A lot of the roads are laid out in blocks and I did a loop so I got to experience it from all sides. Downtown, there would be strong wind through the intersections and then the skyscrapers would shield me. Anyway, they handle shockingly well for their size in a cross wind. They're not immune to side winds, but very easy to control. I'm a big(ish) guy, so ymmv, but I've had nervous mountain descents.

I'm going to ride these on a lot of dirt roads and a lot of paved ones too.

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[QUOTE=Seattle Forrest;19344867]Today was pretty gusty. A lot of the roads are laid out in blocks and I did a loop so I got to experience it from all sides. Downtown, there would be strong wind through the intersections and then the skyscrapers would shield me. Anyway, they handle shockingly well for their size in a cross wind. They're not immune to side winds, but very easy to control. I'm a big(ish) guy, so ymmv, but I've had nervous mountain descents.
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Hi, to add to your wind comment (maybe I have mentioned it somewhere in here before, so apologies if repetitive), I have also found them to be a bit less sensitive to side winds that my older Zipp 303 and 404 rims. Still have to control them, but I believe the profile is less sensitive to the side than older deep profile rims (newer Zipps may be better too). I think they are a nice compromise wheelset for pretty much all conditions so far. Still haven't done much gravel yet, but that is on the list soon.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Really? You're going to have it by Thursday? Mine took a freaking month to arrive.

Make sure you put tubeless ready tires on your new wheels, whether you use a tube or not. No folding, bead tires. The Enve folks say that's really important to not **** things up.
On Thu, my brother's LBS talked to Enve. They had the R45 and DT240 ready to be shipped. They were just waiting to know which to ship with the computer mount.
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I've got about 200 miles on mine. I've been having a great ski season and not spending much time on the bike.

Do I want to take them to an LBS to have the tension checked? I'd expect it to be perfect, and I don't want someone who's not as great a wheel builder as the Enve folks messing with them to justify the price of the visit.
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I've got about 200 miles on mine. I've been having a great ski season and not spending much time on the bike.

Do I want to take them to an LBS to have the tension checked? I'd expect it to be perfect, and I don't want someone who's not as great a wheel builder as the Enve folks messing with them to justify the price of the visit.
Hi, I have a bit more than that on mine, don't see any reason for a spoke checkup at this point. Are you feeling something odd?
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