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UK Suppliers no longer shipping SRAM to NA.

Old 09-06-16, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by HazeT View Post
After all my anger, I just went to ribble and the SRAM Force 22 was listed as a groupset, $593. I also See Rival 22 listed for $371.
I added the Force groupset to cart, went all the way to payment method without any complaints regarding my shipping address being in US.
Odd,
I see the SRAM Rival now, but not the Force (maybe you got it!!!)

Oh, I get the groupsets with a google search, but not through the Ribble Menu????

Hopefully you also added a few tires.

Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
Ok, so are there really no volume retailers in the US that can get the same deal from this US-based company? eg. Amazon, Performance, Comp Cyclist, etc..

Why isn't as simple as the manufacturer goes to market and says "here's the unit price(in X currency)... place your orders". What's the downside?
The problem is price fixing... which is a very questionable practice where a manufacture or distributor tries to set the price of an item across the market. But, if an internet retailer has say a 50% markup and a LBS has a 100% markup, then the LBS looses out.

Who do you want to support?

I have to think the online marketplace for bicycles is just absolutely enormous, so cutting it out, and any company would certainly lose. In some cases, customers will turn to their LBS, in other cases, they'll turn to other manufacturers.

I suppose one also needs the LBS support, and teams to get one's name out.
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Originally Posted by BigPoser View Post
I did the same thing but didn't get that message. $942 for a Chorus group.
No one said anything about preventing shipping Campy to the US...
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Old 09-06-16, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Odd,

The problem is price fixing... which is a very questionable practice where a manufacture or distributor tries to set the price of an item across the market. But, if an internet retailer has say a 50% markup and a LBS has a 100% markup, then the LBS looses out.

Who do you want to support?

I have to think the online marketplace for bicycles is just absolutely enormous, so cutting it out, and any company would certainly lose. In some cases, customers will turn to their LBS, in other cases, they'll turn to other manufacturers.

I suppose one also needs the LBS support, and teams to get one's name out.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I thought I was saying the opposite of price fixing. SRAM, XYZ Company, whatever.... says "my product costs $10". End of story. Maybe a manufacturer has a MAP. Each reseller can determine their own actual selling price. I don't understand 100% markup needed by anyone. That seems excessive. I used to resell product and 30% was my usual target.

And none of this explains why a UK internet retailer sells for a lot less than US internet retailers. Honestly, I'm curious how UK LBS prices compare t UK Internet prices?
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Old 09-06-16, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by evrythngsgngrn View Post
No one said anything about preventing shipping Campy to the US...
I suppose you're right. Thanks for being nice about it.
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Originally Posted by Chi_Z View Post
bike24 is selling sram etap for like $1200. That is the lowest I have seem
Jesus Christ they have Ultegra Di2 for under $1000

That is crazy cheap...has anyone ever ordered from these guys before? I've bought from the myriad UK sites, but never from Deutschland.

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Hey, I just remembered. I am changing planes in London on Friday. Maybe I should try to stock up.
but then you have to pay VAT and attempt to get a refund. don't remember the current rate
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
And none of this explains why a UK internet retailer sells for a lot less than US internet retailers. Honestly, I'm curious how UK LBS prices compare t UK Internet prices?
UK LBSes are just as equally being screwed over by the low prices charged by Ribble, Merlin et al. as over here. It's the same deal, those companies are selling parts cheaper than the LBS can buy wholesale. The difference of course is the size of the company, and the leverage that gets.

So the LBS just needs to get bigger! Mine did, it started of as Butlers Cycles in Portsmouth (UK) and is now called "Wiggle".
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I compare this to something like Costco. They sell things cheaper than other places because you're a member. They don't have the same markup on items because they buy huge quantities from the vendor and sell huge quantities to the customer. The vendor is happy because they receive a huge upfront order which makes lowering their cost to the retailer worthwhile.
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Jesus Christ they have Ultegra Di2 for under $1000

That is crazy cheap...has anyone ever ordered from these guys before? I've bought from the myriad UK sites, but never from Deutschland.
I recently bought some Pearl Izumi shorts from them. Great price, shipped out right away, arrived in a decent time.
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
That is crazy cheap...has anyone ever ordered from these guys before? I've bought from the myriad UK sites, but never from Deutschland.
Not in US, but I've done business with them in EU; they're perfectly legit. There's quite a few German sites that can compete with the UK prices.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I thought I was saying the opposite of price fixing. SRAM, XYZ Company, whatever.... says "my product costs $10". End of story. Maybe a manufacturer has a MAP. Each reseller can determine their own actual selling price. I don't understand 100% markup needed by anyone. That seems excessive. I used to resell product and 30% was my usual target.

And none of this explains why a UK internet retailer sells for a lot less than US internet retailers. Honestly, I'm curious how UK LBS prices compare t UK Internet prices?
US and its distributor monopolies. Because they can.

Kind of like how in Australia, Adobe software products cost 4X what they do in the US. Same reason Apple products in the EU cost 2-3X what they do in the USA.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Same reason Apple products in the EU cost 2-3X what they do in the USA.
That's not actually true though, is it?
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Originally Posted by dr_lha View Post
That's not actually true though, is it?
Depends on the country.

Last show season I had a Russian orchestra on tour come through my stage....on their afternoon off the orchestra members went shopping. One guy came backstage with a brand new compound hunting bow/arrow set. Another came backstage with a 27" iMac he was taking back home. It is common practice with international touring groups to leave home with lots of empty suitcases and then go shopping (both for themselves and near/extended family) in the USA as certain goods (especially consumer electronics) are drastically cheaper here in the USA.

From what I understood...that computer cost 2X+ back in Russia what he paid here.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Depends on the country.

Last show season I had a Russian orchestra on tour come through my stage....on their afternoon off the orchestra members went shopping. One guy came backstage with a brand new compound hunting bow/arrow set. Another came backstage with a 27" iMac he was taking back home. It is common practice with international touring groups to leave home with lots of empty suitcases and then go shopping (both for themselves and near/extended family) in the USA as certain goods (especially consumer electronics) are drastically cheaper here in the USA.

From what I understood...that computer cost 2X+ back in Russia what he paid here.
Russia ain't the EU.
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Originally Posted by dr_lha View Post
Russia ain't the EU.
True but national price variation happens a ton for no reason other than because. Apple has a history of doing it, just like Adobe. An iPhone 6S in Turkey costs $1000USD while in Canada costs $600USD, while in France it costs $800USD.

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Oddly bike parts are the opposite...where the USA gets the shaft in pricing compared to everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
True but national price variation happens a ton for no reason other than because. Apple has a history of doing it, just like Adobe. An iPhone 6S in Turkey costs $1000USD while in Canada costs $600USD, while in France it costs $800USD.
France has 20% VAT. Turkey, like Russia also is not in the EU.

Look I'm not arguing that Apple products don't vary in price per country, they do, only that this idea that they're 2-3x more expensive in the EU is not based in fact.
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Jesus Christ they have Ultegra Di2 for under $1000

That is crazy cheap...has anyone ever ordered from these guys before? I've bought from the myriad UK sites, but never from Deutschland.
Yep, I have ordered heaps of stuff from them and Rose Bikes in Germany.

Incredible range and pricing.
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Old news for me. Looking at bike-discount.de for SRAM.

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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Jesus Christ they have Ultegra Di2 for under $1000

That is crazy cheap...has anyone ever ordered from these guys before? I've bought from the myriad UK sites, but never from Deutschland.
Bought a hell of a lot from them. I think 4 groupsets, tyres, bars, posts tape etc. Great store. If you ship to Eu and fly out, they give a VAT refund too.

Bike24 and Rose - very reliable.
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