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Do you run, and how does that affect your cycling?

Old 09-15-16, 05:01 PM
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I got back into running about 3 or so years ago after stopping for over 30 years due to knee issues and plantar faciitis. I only run maybe 10 miles/week, but don't feel running makes me a stronger rider or vice-versa. For instance, I got a new bike about 1-1/2 months ago and have only run a few times since. When I do run after laying off a few weeks, I can't run my normal distance (2.5-3.0 miles) comfortably even if I've put a lot of miles on the bike. I have to run about 3 times within a week to get back to comfortably doing my normal distance and my usual pace.

I find riding much easier than running when it's hot and humid. For instance, I can manage a humid 100 degree ride, while a humid 85 degree run will nearly kill me. So I tend to run less in the summer, and then only in the early morning when it's not more than about 80. I run more in the winter, and enjoy it more than riding if it's windy, drizzling, or raining lightly. I hate riding in wind, and don't ride in the wet because I hate having to worry about wiping out on wet road stripes and cleaning my bike afterwards.

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Old 09-15-16, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Then I moved to Virginia with all of that humidity. I quit the game about 5 years ago. It used to take about 3 hours to shoot 80-85 for an 18 hole round. Then the "technology craze" took off. It started taking about 5-5.5 hours to shoot that same 80-85. There was a lot of standing around waiting to hit a shot so I quit. I pull my clubs out about once a year and look at them. Mizuno MP-14s. So pretty and shiny.
The best I shot is an 82. So I'm not good. But golf is like sex, you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it.
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Originally Posted by Shuffleman View Post
I'm in the same boat. Tore my hip labrum prepping for Boston a few years ago. I had the surgery in nov. I'm not running yet because I tore my glute as well and will have surgery on that in oct. I would run 30-35 miles per week. It made the transition to road riding easy. They are different but the cardio will greatly enhance things. I like to run because it is easy. Wake up at 5:30 and hit the road whether I am traveling or not. Cycling is great too. In a perfect world, I would run 6 days per week. Road bike 2 times and mtb whenever I can.
Cycling is easier than running to get good. If you really want to excel past that point, you must log in the time. I'm ok with being just good as I don't have the time to be better than that on the bike.
Man I hear you. I was running 5 miles a day, and often riding as well. Then 8 mos ago I got a fracture in my back from (apparently) running too much. So I havent run since, so it has time to heal. I've gotten a lot stronger at riding but have taken a couple of bad spills too, and am still nursing those injuries. I also took up skate boarding recently to replace the running, and that has supplied it's own set of inujuries. :/
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Originally Posted by texaspandj View Post
The best I shot is an 82. So I'm not good. But golf is like sex, you don't have to be good at it to enjoy it.
My best was a 68 on a decent Par 72 course. I got down to a 4 handicap before I had a family and got the yips. Once the yips shows up you are toast.

Here is a question for the thread. I had a really good run last night and I am trying to figure out why. I am on a training team for the Richmond Half Marathon in November. The team is cheap, you get supported SAGS & the female scenery is good. It is better than training on your own. Three runs during the week and a long run on the weekend. The mileage builds up gradually till race day. Typical training plan. I am a slow runner by the way, so no posting my times. I've already ran 3 half's this year and plenty of 5/8/10ks. The team is just the best way to do the training.

I have a century ride on this Saturday as well. Due to time constraints last weekend I got a 2 hour ride in Sunday night. The ride was on a stationary bike at the gym. Nothing but spinning at different cadences between 75 and a 100, mostly between 80 and 90. The Asics shoes I normally wear haven't been in production for about 2 years and I just started into my last pair. I bought a pair of their replacements to try out and are doing my short runs in them. The replacements are different with a lot less drop/more minimalist.

Here's my question: The short run (3) on Tuesday sucked. I figured it would after the ride Sunday night. I was dead tired as I walked out the door on Wednesday night to start the run. It was a 5 miler and it was awesome! The form was good, cadence was good, everything was good. I'm thinking about it trying to figure out why. Was it that 2 hours of spinning on the bike? Was it the new shoes? I was supposed to do hill repeats tonight but am resting up for the Saturday ride. Whatever caused it I wish I knew so I could point my training in that direction.
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Old 09-15-16, 08:35 PM
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@seypat, you're a better golfer than me, however I have made a hole in one. 150 yard par 3 I used a 7 iron, hit about 3 feet left of the hole then rolled in.
As to the question of running. I think possibly the new shoes, but definitely the recovery spinning. And that's one of the reasons I say cycling can make you a better runner. There's a lot other reasons too.
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I run 6.5 miles every day. Around 200 miles a month. Nothing too impressive - 8.5 minute miles so it takes under an hour a day to run. Cardio is out of this world and find biking far easier now. Of course I'm 30 pounds lighter now than I was when I used to really put the miles on the bike a few years ago.

I only bike 50-60 miles a week now. Slow and steady and I enjoy it. Running and cycling are very complimentary and I have no injuries at the moment from either of them.
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One thing about running is that it's more efficient work out when you are pressed for time. If I have only a hour, nowadays, I always choose run over bike because I can get the same if not more intense workout.
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Originally Posted by dalava View Post
One thing about running is that it's more efficient work out when you are pressed for time. If I have only a hour, nowadays, I always choose run over bike because I can get the same if not more intense workout.
You could also just ride at a higher level of intensity on the bike.

Most people find running to be more efficient because it's so unpleasant they are forced to get it over quicker It's much like riding an indoor trainer. If I'm riding the trainer I never relax and ride for enjoyment. I do a couple of 20 min intervals that are a mental struggle. It's efficient but unpleasant.
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
You could also just ride at a higher level of intensity on the bike.

Most people find running to be more efficient because it's so unpleasant they are forced to get it over quicker It's much like riding an indoor trainer. If I'm riding the trainer I never relax and ride for enjoyment. I do a couple of 20 min intervals that are a mental struggle. It's efficient but unpleasant.
No, running is a more efficient workout because it uses more muscles. Once you have acclimated your body to running it's just as enjoyable as riding.
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Old 09-16-16, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
You could also just ride at a higher level of intensity on the bike.
The problem is that getting dressed up and getting to and back from the starting place where you could do a high intensity work out takes too long. I lived in urban/suburban area so there isn't a great bike route out of the house
would allow me to do that, but I can just run right out of my house and back in 45 minutes with a good a few miles.
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Originally Posted by dalava View Post
The problem is that getting dressed up and getting to and back from the starting place where you could do a high intensity work out takes too long. I lived in urban/suburban area so there isn't a great bike route out of the house
would allow me to do that, but I can just run right out of my house and back in 45 minutes with a good a few miles.
Agree. It takes at least 20 minutes to be ready to leave the house with the bike and if you only have an hour of time to spare you've already lost 1/3 of it just getting out the door. You could have already been running for 15 minutes.
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No, running is a more efficient workout because it uses more muscles. Once you have acclimated your body to running it's just as enjoyable as riding.
Disagree. Running, like cycling, is primarily an aerobic activity. Musculature of distance runners isn't a lot different than fit cyclists. The range of intensity available to a cyclist is much broader than for runners.

I seldom see runners with smiles on their faces. It can be enjoyable to run but it's definitely more intense and harder on the body. Much easier to ride 15-20 hrs/wk than it is to run the same amount of time.
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The problem is that getting dressed up and getting to and back from the starting place where you could do a high intensity work out takes too long. I lived in urban/suburban area so there isn't a great bike route out of the house
would allow me to do that, but I can just run right out of my house and back in 45 minutes with a good a few miles.
A trainer also works if you can't ride from your house.
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
Disagree. Running, like cycling, is primarily an aerobic activity. Musculature of distance runners isn't a lot different than fit cyclists. The range of intensity available to a cyclist is much broader than for runners.

I seldom see runners with smiles on their faces. It can be enjoyable to run but it's definitely more intense and harder on the body. Much easier to ride 15-20 hrs/wk than it is to run the same amount of time.
Ummm, yeah, because it's a more efficient workout than cycling. Using your parameters driving a car is the most efficient.

Your anecdotal smile test is just silly. I don't smile just because I'm doing activities I enjoy. Especially when said activity is exercise.
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A trainer also works if you can't ride from your house.
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If I'm riding the trainer I never relax and ride for enjoyment. I do a couple of 20 min intervals that are a mental struggle. It's efficient but unpleasant.
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Ummm, yeah, because it's a more efficient workout than cycling. Using your parameters driving a car is the most efficient.

Your anecdotal smile test is just silly. I don't smile just because I'm doing activities I enjoy. Especially when said activity is exercise.
Evidently runners don't have a sense of humour either

You've not provided any evidence that running is a more efficient workout than equivalent intensity cycling.
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A roller coaster is a great way to get your heart rate up while moving efficiently without much strain on your body. You can do it for hours without undue stress on your musculature system. It's the perfect exercise.
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Evidently runners don't have a sense of humour either

You've not provided any evidence that running is a more efficient workout than equivalent intensity cycling.
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A trainer also works if you can't ride from your house.
I like outdoors unless I absolutely have to... running and cycling has allowed me to travel and see a new place in a completely different way now
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You've not provided any evidence that running is a more efficient workout than equivalent intensity cycling.
If you do either at the same intensity I'm sure it's very similar. But in practice most people ride at a lower intensity than most people run, 99 % of the time. You said it earlier, cycling has a wider range of intensities, it's whatever you make it; running can only get so easy and then you're walking.
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While on a bike you could be doing 30 km/h without moving your feet. Try doing that with running.

Running does employ more muscles than cycling. You engage your muscle during the negative phase of the contraction, i.e. the landing part, as well as the positive (the pushing off). Cycling is only the positive phase.

Also because of the difference in speeds, you can easily run 60 minutes at tempo without stopping. Tough to do that in cycling unless you're on a velodrome track.
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Don't get me wrong, I love cycling. I've spent nearly double the amount of time cycling in 2016 than I have running, but I'm not going to try to convince people cycling is a more efficient workout. That's crazy talk.
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I started running because I wanted something to do in the winter. I hate being indoors, I hate the cold and I hate the darkness - but I needed to do something outside (rather than indoors). It's been good for me to learn to maintain pace and work on cardio while keeping in shape.
I still hate running. I think it's an atrocious hobby that makes my knees hurt and I have no idea why people like it.



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I commute to work pretty much everyday, and I run 3 or 4 times a week in the evening. I just feel like I have better legs on the commute or weekend ride if I ran the evening before. Quantitatively I am definitely faster overall since I picked up running. I don't know the reason why, but that's just what my numbers are showing.
I feel the same but I also know that my overall fitness could have been improved and either cycling or running would be an improvement.

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I like outdoors unless I absolutely have to... running and cycling has allowed me to travel and see a new place in a completely different way now
Running gets me outdoors in the winter. I hate being cooped up.
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I might also add that you need more miles under your feet before you can really feel like you're not completely miserable while running. When I was running a lot of miles I found that after about a mile or so I get into a zone where it feels meditative. You`re no longer thinking about the running, pain or discomfort, but your mind just wanders off to different places. Some of my best ideas were conceived while on a run.

Cycling you cannot zone out. Your attention is needed at all times. For me this is the biggest difference between running and cycling.
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