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Skinny runners, fat cyclists

Old 09-28-16, 12:16 PM
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I don't have anything that can calculate GNP for me.
Got your back on this one-

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GNP
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Old 09-28-16, 12:22 PM
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Thanks Dan! Can I claim that all for myself?

I meant Grade Normalized Pace. Let's say I'm running 8 minute miles on the flat but then I hit a 2 % grade and slow down to 9:30/mi. Obviously I'm going slower now but am I putting out more effort, or less?
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Old 09-28-16, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Thanks Dan! Can I claim that all for myself?

I meant Grade Normalized Pace. Let's say I'm running 8 minute miles on the flat but then I hit a 2 % grade and slow down to 9:30/mi. Obviously I'm going slower now but am I putting out more effort, or less?
Yous should put in the same effort, in theory, but in practice this is never the case. You most certainly would be putting out more effort, same as riding. But riding is more efficient than running, so what you put into the climb you get some/most of it back on the down side. Running down hill you still need to put in an effort.
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Old 09-28-16, 01:10 PM
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Steel vs crabon. Always steel vs crabon.
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Old 09-28-16, 01:12 PM
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for me, I quit running because as I got older (not heavier) I got sick of feeling like I was in a fight after a 2mi run. body just friggin SORE every where, not joints and feet, I just felt beat up, I played college soccer and was a distance runner and my body just had been abused for to long. started cycling and generally just felt better and was more enjoyable and less punishing. granted, took more time to get the same "burn" but it was worth it in the reduction of general pain/discomfort. closer I get to 50 the more I enjoy cycling over running, hot weather over cold, etc.
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Old 09-28-16, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by vinuneuro View Post
You hardly ever come across regular runners that are fat or have guts, but many regular cyclists are out of shape. Why?
Really an ignorant post. Plenty of fat runners out there, plenty of them. You just aren't looking enough.
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Old 09-28-16, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dalava View Post
Most people overestimate the calories they burn, and also underestimate our body's ability to sabotage our effort to lose weight. If I use the Garmin's calories burned numbers from my rides (from actual power meter no less) and 3500 calories equals one pound of fat, I should weigh about less than 0, like -200 lbs.
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Old 09-28-16, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
What is happening is that people are starting to realize they have to change their current lifestyle and get off the couch. That is a good thing. You have to start somewhere, so that is why you see the "tubby people out there wheezing" in which ever activity they choose. You will see them wheezing away running, on the bike, swimming, in classes at the gym, etc. They've decided to make a change and good for them.
I'm not denigrating overweight people who are trying to get back in shape. Personally, ten years ago I couldn't jog lightly for 5 minutes straight when I first started trying to get back in shape. I was a three sport varsity athlete in high school and college, it was really humiliating being that out of shape.

I do think it's funny when year after year I see the same overweight folks in my gym or on my local MUP still shuffling along at 15 min / mile without losing an ounce of weight. I want to tell them that "maintaining" at 300 lbs is probably not ideal.
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Old 09-28-16, 03:58 PM
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IMO, it's because the people who first get into riding are generally older and out of shape, because it is an easy sport to get into that isn't so hard on the body and is effective.

So, when you first see a cyclist who's chubby, they are probably just getting into it, or it's one of those sports his/her friend does which is do-able by an over weight person, so maybe they hop on the bike 2-3 times per month.

Because I'll tell you, if you take is seriously, it's a hard @ss sport. Try climbing for 20 miles. You won't be fat for long.

I mean, it's all about effort and energy expended.

However, some heavy set guys can haul some @ss. They just eat good and drink beer and cycle hard lol.

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Old 09-28-16, 06:56 PM
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The sports obviously use different muscles. When I cycled a lot more I had huge quads. They were really defined. Calves, not so much. Now with running it's the exact opposite - huge calves and not so much with the quads.

I have been riding more lately and have noticed real fatigue in my quads after rides - something I never felt in 2000 miles of running over the past year. Definitely different muscles for me. Of course you'll find cyclists with huge calves, runner's with huge quads, and a lot of elite athletes in both sports with both.

I'm on autopilot when I run now. The first 5 minutes kind of suck and then next thing I know I'm back home and it's an hour later. Drenched in sweat. I run on a trail (and it's walking only - no bikes) and use wireless bluetooth headphones and just zone out.

Is cycling more fun for me? Oh yeah. WAY more fun. I love buying gear, I love coasting down a long hill after earning it with a hearty climb, I love the wind, the smells, the sights along the way, the camaraderie, and basically just the ability to leave my door and be in a city 25 miles away all on my own power.

I've been hit on my bike, however, and it was brutal. The next time I may not be so fortunate. Worst thing that happened to me on a run is that I hit a rock, tripped and cut my knee.

And lastly, the occasional fat cyclist would kick my butt when I used to ride a lot. Uphill, on the flats, endurance rides, etc. I would get decimated by these really strong overweight riders. I will tell you that has NEVER happened with running.
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Old 09-30-16, 08:51 AM
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this thread makes me hungry. I think I'm going to eat a nice big ham sammich. extra mayo ayo.
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Old 09-30-16, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by topslop1 View Post
this thread makes me hungry. I think I'm going to eat a nice big ham sammich. extra mayo ayo.
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Old 09-30-16, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jordanair45 View Post
Because I'll tell you, if you take is seriously, it's a hard @ss sport. Try climbing for 20 miles. You won't be fat for long.
I do that. Still have to watch what I eat.
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Old 09-30-16, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I do that. Still have to watch what I eat.
I watch what I eat too. Food is shifty, and will knife you if you drop your guard.
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Old 09-30-16, 01:10 PM
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I don't know about others, but I came to this exercise thing pretty late in life, 67. I did lose about thirty pounds, but since I have a defective thyroid, I have reached a plateau where I have a hard time losing weight. You may see some cyclists carrying some extra weight, but doubt many of them are "regular" riders.
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Old 09-30-16, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Leadrunner View Post
I don't know about others, but I came to this exercise thing pretty late in life, 67. I did lose about thirty pounds, but since I have a defective thyroid, I have reached a plateau where I have a hard time losing weight. You may see some cyclists carrying some extra weight, but doubt many of them are "regular" riders.
Good for you. It's never too late to start exercise and get healthier. You should try running, runners are much nicer, they wave back
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Old 09-30-16, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by vinuneuro View Post
You hardly ever come across regular runners that are fat or have guts, but many regular cyclists are out of shape. Why?
You must be pretty young to think that just because someone has extra pounds, they're "out of shape".
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Old 10-01-16, 05:17 AM
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You must be pretty young to think that just because someone has extra pounds, they're "out of shape".
Where exactly do you think the term "out of shape" comes from?

sheesh.
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Old 10-01-16, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
Where exactly do you think the term "out of shape" comes from?

sheesh.
That is debatable.
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Old 10-01-16, 05:35 AM
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Where exactly do you think the term "out of shape" comes from?

sheesh.
It often refers to aerobic fitness. A normal weight, or thin individual who never exercise can be 'out of shape'.
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Old 10-01-16, 05:42 AM
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Running is hard. I cycled for 20 years including plenty of racing (never very good) with occasional running thrown in during the winter. Three years ago I got the running bug and essentially quit cycling until recently. It took me many - like 15 - runs before it stopped feeling like torture. I'm 5'10ish 150 lbs and was totally in share from cycling and lifting. The only thing I wanted to do during my first few runs was stop. I can't imagine what that would be like if I had an additional 30 lbs on my frame. Highly unlikely I'd make it through the initial torture stage.

I did the whole marathon thing (once - normal human 3:20 time) and plenty of 5k/10ks. Once I broke through the torture part, the "runner's high" allowed me to zone out and put in some miles. "High" is fairly laughable; more like a little more pain tolerant. The huge - HUGE - downside to running as a 40-something y/o is the constant threat of injuries. Never had anything big, but plenty of mini sprains and pulls that make it really hard to move the mileage up if you want to get faster. I now mix the two and they blend well together, but in no way optimize each other.

Getting back on the bike after not riding for a year (and few rides in the prior couple) was easy. My quads burned on the climbs for the first couple of rides, but I didn't feel slow (probably was) or tortuous.
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Old 10-01-16, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
It often refers to aerobic fitness. A normal weight, or thin individual who never exercise can be 'out of shape'.
now in todays language. but the term term comes from the literal shape of the body.
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Old 10-01-16, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
now in todays language. but the term term comes from the literal shape of the body.
Some cyclists like to cling to the notion they can be fat and fit or 'in shape' even though they never ed up at the 'pointy' end of a ride/race.
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Old 10-01-16, 07:24 AM
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^ Lots of people cling desperately to all kinds of delusions and excuses.

I'm not fat, 38 pants are "normal". I don't spend too much / have too much debt, my paychecks almost always cover my bills, just like every one I know. And on and on and on.
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