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Lol, you and your training science. I can't justify a PM purchase but I'm also curious to see where I am in the real world, not just imaginary zPower, so at some point I'll borrow my friend's PT rear wheel which my bike computer can read numbers off of. I'll probably write down what my actual power is at different zPowers so I can know for future reference where I am.
Well my z-power shows me putting out about 2.4w/kg on average. I'm not sure I want to know that I'm worse than that, but again... curiosity.


Holding 500z watts for sprint segments is the only thing that makes me feel better about my zPower averages.
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Well my z-power shows me putting out about 2.4w/kg on average. I'm not sure I want to know that I'm worse than that, but again... curiosity.


Holding 500z watts for sprint segments is the only thing that makes me feel better about my zPower averages.
2.4 w/kg isn't a shockingly low number. When I'm doing 20 minute efforts in Zwift I'll target about 3.5 w/kg, but that hurts me by the end and I can't always sustain it. For riding around sub-threshold, 2.5 is totally normal. Again, these are just the z numbers with no known coorelation to real power.
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I don't get why people would cheat on games (specific multiplayer games). I'm surprised that they would do that on Zwift.


Is Wahoo Kickr worth to buy? I'm currently have dummy trainer with Wahoo sensors and I'm looking into Kickr for more pedaling varies such as climbing, etc... My trainer is just same level and it's bit boring.

This is a big resounding yes from me. I got mine 2 weeks and am in love with it. The only recommendation I have is to set it close to 100% realism or it just doesn't feel right.
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I don't get why people would cheat on games (specific multiplayer games). I'm surprised that they would do that on Zwift.


Is Wahoo Kickr worth to buy? I'm currently have dummy trainer with Wahoo sensors and I'm looking into Kickr for more pedaling varies such as climbing, etc... My trainer is just same level and it's bit boring.
I have to be the dissenting voice. I have several friends who are really into Zwift and who really enjoy their Wahoo Kickr's -- two of them even use them on beautiful outdoor riding days! But for me, using the setup (besides being expensive) requires calibration and more futzing than I really want to do. For me, the best thing about "dumb" trainers is being able to climb on the bike and go. No waiting. No futzing. No worries.

Then again, I find Zwift to be more monotonous than watching movies or concert videos while I go through my training routine. My brain just doesn't "immerse" with it. My reaction, after a month of use was, "Is this all there is to this?" If I had tried my setup before I bought it, I never would have bought it. (The marketing stuff makes it sound better than it is, to me.)

I will probably give the setup another try this Fall, but I'm tempted to go back to using a "dumb" trainer with workouts programmed into my Garmin. The Kickr will likely make it to Craigslist before Christmas. We will see.

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Originally Posted by FlashBazbo View Post
I have to be the dissenting voice. I have several friends who are really into Zwift and who really enjoy their Wahoo Kickr's -- two of them even use them on beautiful outdoor riding days! But for me, using the setup (besides being expensive) requires calibration and more futzing than I really want to do. For me, the best thing about "dumb" trainers is being able to climb on the bike and go. No waiting. No futzing. No worries.

Then again, I find Zwift to be more monotonous than watching movies or concert videos while I go through my training routine. My brain just doesn't "immerse" with it. My reaction, after a month of use was, "Is this all there is to this?" If I had tried my setup before I bought it, I never would have bought it. (The marketing stuff makes it sound better than it is, to me.)

I will probably give the setup another try this Fall, but I'm tempted to go back to using a "dumb" trainer with workouts programmed into my Garmin. The Kickr will likely make it to Craigslist before Christmas. We will see.
I see where you are coming from and understand. I think its just the person. I really like it for now. I bought a $500 smart trainer for this reason. Im not second guessing my purchase yet but I am not as strong as I want to be on it yet either but it has made me a stronger ride in very little time.
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I hate a trainer and will ride outside in just about any weather to avoid it. At work however where I spend 6 months a year away from home I don't have many options as there are no shoulders on the road and the largest percapita concentration of 18 wheelers I've ever seen soooooo I ride it. Zwift makes it survivable. I use a dumb trainer with a garmin speed sensor and cadence sensor as well as a heart rate monitor. Speeds seem pretty close to real world for me although power seems a bit high for the speeds. Solo ride for 20 miles outside with 800 ft of elevation will get me 18.2-18.4mph. Zwift puts me around 19mph average for the same distance with a bit more climbing and still a 155 average heart rate.

I don't complain, it's close enough for me and keeps me from being splattered on the road and still lets me get miles in.
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Speaking of fast guys on Zwift...I happened across this the other day. Damn, it'd be awesome to hold 400+ watts and not even break a sweat.

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Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
Speaking of fast guys on Zwift...I happened across this the other day. Damn, it'd be awesome to hold 400+ watts and not even break a sweat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=sZrulBWIY3M
Oh, he broke a sweat... it just took an impressively long time to do so. I would have had to back off at a time when his HR hadn't yet reached 160.
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Update for me. This stuff is awesome. Its cold here now and I have anemia so I freeze anyhow. Zwift has been a gift for me. My FTP has increased and I have lost 4 pounds since I started using it. The group rides are outstanding. You are constantly, in and out of the saddle (I use the Tacx T2180 smart trainer) so you don't get bored. I remember watching movies on it. Screw that. This is the ticket and I'm sure it will get even better. Putting in an hour or even 90 minutes at hard effort is not out of the question. Drafting with 170 riders is not uncommon. As far as effort, I've been riding since 2003 and I've never had a "trainer session" where I averaged 19 mph with 255 average power and a max of 1000 watts. With Zwift, I have!

I've ridden every day in November either on the road, in the woods or on Zwift with a day off each week and its awesome. Love it.
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Laurens ten Dam was on yesterday morning and I was like, I'll grab a screenshot when he goes by me. Unfortunately, he was with a pack of about 50 guys and they blew by me so fast I didn't even have a chance.

This was the best I could do.
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Laurens ten Dam was on yesterday morning and I was like, I'll grab a screenshot when he goes by me. Unfortunately, he was with a pack of about 50 guys and they blew by me so fast I didn't even have a chance.
Apparently Thomas de Gendt rode past me this morning while I was Zwift'ing, but I didn't notice because the program was running on my laptop while I watched the new Grand Tour show on my TV
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What's this new Grand Tour show that you speak of?!
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What's this new Grand Tour show that you speak of?!
The Grand Tour: Jeremy Clarkson's first show since Top Gear praised - BBC News

If you spend a lot of time in A&S and/or don't care for cars or British people, you won't enjoy it.
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The Grand Tour: Jeremy Clarkson's first show since Top Gear praised - BBC News

If you spend a lot of time in A&S and/or don't care for cars or British people, you won't enjoy it.
D'oh, I just got an Amazon Prime email about this, I was thinking it was a show about cycling.

I don't mind cars and I enjoy British people, so I might just have to check it out.
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D'oh, I just got an Amazon Prime email about this, I was thinking it was a show about cycling.

I don't mind cars and I enjoy British people, so I might just have to check it out.
Lol, it didn't even occur to me that Grand Tour has a very important context in the cycling world as well. Cyclist card revoked for the day!
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Lol, it didn't even occur to me that Grand Tour has a very important context in the cycling world as well. Cyclist card revoked for the day!
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I have to be the dissenting voice. I have several friends who are really into Zwift and who really enjoy their Wahoo Kickr's -- two of them even use them on beautiful outdoor riding days! But for me, using the setup (besides being expensive) requires calibration and more futzing than I really want to do. For me, the best thing about "dumb" trainers is being able to climb on the bike and go. No waiting. No futzing. No worries.
And that's the main reason why I bought a Neo over a Kickr...no calibrating. I thought Zwift sucked until I got a Kickr Snap. That was my gateway drug. I liked how it somewhat simulated riding on a real road. I also like interacting with other people, like on a group ride, where you push because the guy around you is pushing. There are also group rides and races, which can make things interesting too. I hated waiting 10 minutes to "warm" up the Kickr, then calibrate with a different app, then ride. I don't race anymore, just like to get some exercise. I am very busy so sometimes I only have 30 minutes to ride, and I don't want to spend 10 minutes to warm up, then another 5 to hook up all he junk then really only "ride" for 10 or 15 minutes. It's nice to just throw the bike on the Neo, and go. Also, the downhill drive makes things somewhat more realistic because you can actually coast during a ride, and the road textures thing is actually pretty fun too. This might help anyone who is on the fence about Kickr vs Neo, as I was for a while.
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Apparently Thomas de Gendt rode past me this morning while I was Zwift'ing, but I didn't notice because the program was running on my laptop while I watched the new Grand Tour show on my TV
I literally had my finger on the button to pay for Prime yesterday just for that dumb show. My brother is paying for prime, and connected me as a family member so I get the free shipping but not the videos. I browsed the movies and shows and I think Grand Tour is literally the only thing I would watch. Bummer. I am really tempted, but I don't think it's worth $11 per month just to watch one show...it's bad enough I pay for Netflix and can't find anything good to watch on that either.
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My Tacx Bushido doesn't require calibrating either. The only extra step over a dumb trainer is turning on the laptop and switching the tv input.

Regarding Netflix, if you haven't watched Inspired To Ride yet, I'd highly recommend it.

On Amazon Prime, the documentary, Bicycle, is also good. Prime has a ton of other bike movies and documentaries as well. Some of the newer MTB vids you have to pay for, but I usually just choose the option for slower shipping where it gives you a $1 media credit, and then watch those for free too.
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Im gonna ride this Tacx 2180 until Wahoo makes one that rocks back and fourth like that kinetic. Then, Ill spring for that one.
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The Neo rocks back and forth too...not as much as the kinetic, but probably relieves at least a little of the stress on our essploding carbon frames. That was another reason why I chose Neo (I'm fat now too)
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My Tacx Bushido doesn't require calibrating either. The only extra step over a dumb trainer is turning on the laptop and switching the tv input.

Regarding Netflix, if you haven't watched Inspired To Ride yet, I'd highly recommend it.

On Amazon Prime, the documentary, Bicycle, is also good. Prime has a ton of other bike movies and documentaries as well. Some of the newer MTB vids you have to pay for, but I usually just choose the option for slower shipping where it gives you a $1 media credit, and then watch those for free too.
I'll check that out. Thanks for the tips
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The Neo rocks back and forth too...not as much as the kinetic, but probably relieves at least a little of the stress on our essploding carbon frames. That was another reason why I chose Neo (I'm fat now too)

That was my next question, can fat guys ride it!
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