Wheel quandary on a new trek madone
10-30-16, 10:52 AM
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Wheel quandary on a new trek madone
So here is the situation. I am realizing my dream bike. I bought a project one madone. I ordered the base 9.2 but went cheap on wheels and components. By LBS is building up the groupset when it comes in to one I chose (cheaper by far than ordering it with what I wanted)
Anyway I am down to wheel selection. My budget says used wheels. But I have found some deals on new that would make it silly to save a couple hundred and buy used. I ran Chinese carbon on my previous bikes, but won't here.
It's just that I am really trying to stay in my budget. I blew any extra on the bike itself.
Basically I could swing 1500 on wheels. I've looked at used zipps and enves. I realize the risks with used wheels and in order for me to take that risk, it needs to be a great deal!!!
So far I could go zipp 404 (myriad of years and prices)
I found locally for 1599+tax new 404 firecrest
1900 firestrike zipp new
Locally 1999+tax for enve 6.7
So you see based off new prices, the idea of spending 1200 on a used set of 404 seems dumb.
Me: 170lbs live in Texas, ride with several groups and I like rallies. I like to "hill" climb because I am pretty good at it. I can appreciate better aero too though as it was one factor in buying this bike.
Any insight?
Anyway I am down to wheel selection. My budget says used wheels. But I have found some deals on new that would make it silly to save a couple hundred and buy used. I ran Chinese carbon on my previous bikes, but won't here.
It's just that I am really trying to stay in my budget. I blew any extra on the bike itself.
Basically I could swing 1500 on wheels. I've looked at used zipps and enves. I realize the risks with used wheels and in order for me to take that risk, it needs to be a great deal!!!
So far I could go zipp 404 (myriad of years and prices)
I found locally for 1599+tax new 404 firecrest
1900 firestrike zipp new
Locally 1999+tax for enve 6.7
So you see based off new prices, the idea of spending 1200 on a used set of 404 seems dumb.
Me: 170lbs live in Texas, ride with several groups and I like rallies. I like to "hill" climb because I am pretty good at it. I can appreciate better aero too though as it was one factor in buying this bike.
Any insight?
10-30-16, 10:59 AM
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Umm, BOYD? New, in your budget, and renowned for their customer service.
10-30-16, 11:03 AM
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I appreciate the reply!
So looking at the Boyd's. base level are 1525, would you think the zipp 404 are worth the extra say 175?
So looking at the Boyd's. base level are 1525, would you think the zipp 404 are worth the extra say 175?
10-30-16, 03:03 PM
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November Rails are in your budget new. Solid wheels as are the Boyds mentioned above.
10-31-16, 11:13 AM
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Not necessarily a bad thing. Read what they said. These guys know their stuff, ride the hell out of their bikes/wheels, and for the vast majority of riders, they aren't convinced that carbon is necessarily worth the cost. I think it's a conversation worth having. I'm guilty of carbon-wheel lust myself, and may post for some forum advice soon, but the ultimate point is that unlike frames, where carbon is more likely a clearly superior choice for many/most riders, it's a different and less certain question with wheels.
I'd also strongly suggest reading the comments in that blog post. The guys from November did a good job engaging in a discussion with customers about the decision. If you skip over the people whining about their choice or worrying about warranty support and read for the discussion about carbon vs alloy, it's an interesting discussion.
Here are a few relevant quotations from Dave at November on that thread:
I'd also strongly suggest reading the comments in that blog post. The guys from November did a good job engaging in a discussion with customers about the decision. If you skip over the people whining about their choice or worrying about warranty support and read for the discussion about carbon vs alloy, it's an interesting discussion.
Here are a few relevant quotations from Dave at November on that thread:
Andrew - I modestly agree (as the designer) that the Range is a great design. If you know someone who wants to buy the mold, it's for sale. But in all seriousness (the mold is seriously for sale) aluminum's disadvantages to carbon are I'd almost say vanishingly small, and its advantages are pretty compelling - one of which being that your scrimping and saving days are done. The price advantage to aluminum is profound.
James - No I don't think aluminum will ever match carbon for ultimate aerodynamics. You can't make alloy rims that deep or they get f'd up when you roll the excursion into a rim. But by the time you're on the search for ultimate aerodynamics, you're probably sponsored and that sort of finite "win Kona" or "win the TT Worlds" level of aero has never been a product fit for us. The world buys the crap out of 303s, the world does not buy the crap out of 808s. And we'll have a much more definitive answer soon, but I'll go out on a limb and say that the aerodynamics you'll see from great alloy is very much at 303 level.
James - No I don't think aluminum will ever match carbon for ultimate aerodynamics. You can't make alloy rims that deep or they get f'd up when you roll the excursion into a rim. But by the time you're on the search for ultimate aerodynamics, you're probably sponsored and that sort of finite "win Kona" or "win the TT Worlds" level of aero has never been a product fit for us. The world buys the crap out of 303s, the world does not buy the crap out of 808s. And we'll have a much more definitive answer soon, but I'll go out on a limb and say that the aerodynamics you'll see from great alloy is very much at 303 level.
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Flo or Boyd without a doubt. Flo is having a big sale now on demo and refurbished wheels, and Boyd is just awesome overall. I have a set each and love them both, and doubt you can go wrong with either.
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Where is the FLO sale? Can't find it on their site. Also, any idea if they do disc builds?
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They must have sold out as it's not on their site anymore. Watch them because they do have some great deals. It appears they do have other wheels available now though. I have the Boyds on my TT bike and the Flos on my daily, though I do switch them out for fun periodically.
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Watch for Black Friday deals at November and Boyd. They've had them in the past. I was able to upgrade to T11 hubs on the November Nimbus Ti last November virtually for free.
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Not necessarily a bad thing. Read what they said. These guys know their stuff, ride the hell out of their bikes/wheels, and for the vast majority of riders, they aren't convinced that carbon is necessarily worth the cost. I think it's a conversation worth having. I'm guilty of carbon-wheel lust myself, and may post for some forum advice soon, but the ultimate point is that unlike frames, where carbon is more likely a clearly superior choice for many/most riders, it's a different and less certain question with wheels.
I'd also strongly suggest reading the comments in that blog post. The guys from November did a good job engaging in a discussion with customers about the decision. If you skip over the people whining about their choice or worrying about warranty support and read for the discussion about carbon vs alloy, it's an interesting discussion.
Here are a few relevant quotations from Dave at November on that thread:
I'd also strongly suggest reading the comments in that blog post. The guys from November did a good job engaging in a discussion with customers about the decision. If you skip over the people whining about their choice or worrying about warranty support and read for the discussion about carbon vs alloy, it's an interesting discussion.
Here are a few relevant quotations from Dave at November on that thread:
Honestly, I love the Rails but for the riding I do I think they are overkill and alloy is fine. I got mine when they updated the rail to be tubeless and have been digging the tubeless.
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Well FWIW, I picked up a set of Zipp 404's with a powertap hub for a song. Those will have to do for now. I really wanted the ENVE SES 4.5 just couldn't swing it.
11-08-16, 12:13 AM
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lol i wouldn't call boyd american, their rim and hub are all made in taiwan or china. zipp actually build their rim in usa
12-13-16, 09:29 AM
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Check this out... Why riders like you need to go aero, and wheel weight doesn't matter ? and how the wind tunnel proves it | road.cc
I just bought a new Emonda SL6 this summer and I saved some money on wheels by going with the Bontrager Aura 5 which is an alloy wheel with a non-structural carbon fairing for aero performance. They're a little heavier than full carbon but about half the price. I live in flat south Florida so I'm not as concerned about climbing with heavier wheels but I did like the $ saved that goes towards daughter's college expenses. Once she's done with school I'll probably go ahead and spend the money on full carbon wheels but at least for now this article shows that I only gave up about 3 seconds over 120KM. But if Ihad my choice between new Boyd or used Zipp... I'd choose the Zipp if they were in good condition. Good choice on the bike BTW, my next one will be a Madone P1... after daughter graduates.
I just bought a new Emonda SL6 this summer and I saved some money on wheels by going with the Bontrager Aura 5 which is an alloy wheel with a non-structural carbon fairing for aero performance. They're a little heavier than full carbon but about half the price. I live in flat south Florida so I'm not as concerned about climbing with heavier wheels but I did like the $ saved that goes towards daughter's college expenses. Once she's done with school I'll probably go ahead and spend the money on full carbon wheels but at least for now this article shows that I only gave up about 3 seconds over 120KM. But if Ihad my choice between new Boyd or used Zipp... I'd choose the Zipp if they were in good condition. Good choice on the bike BTW, my next one will be a Madone P1... after daughter graduates.
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