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Old 12-17-16, 11:04 PM
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Best Carbon Disc Brake Wheels?

I'm looking to potentially upgrade my wheels from the current stock Vera Corsa wheels to something nicer. As my bike is an aluminum frame with carbon fork & 105 components, I'm not entirely sure it's worth it to spend the value of the bike on wheels, but I am also looking to upgrade to a nicer bike in the future (full carbon or ti & ultegra or better) and I could switch the wheels from my current bike to the nicer one.

What recommendations do you guys have? I'm looking at Mavic, Zipp, Metron, Enve or the like. Due to my bike's relative "cheapness", I'm also looking at maybe getting unbranded Chinese carbon wheels for the current ride and then getting a bike from a shop that comes with nicer wheels.

The wheels have to be disc brake 6 bolt pattern compatible, as that's my setup and I'm hoping to get disc brakes on the new bike as well, although I could also get the cheap Chinese wheels with disc brakes and then I open the door to rim brakes on the new bike.

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i think chinese carbon from a reputable seller is totally safe, and great value, considering the main concern with those is poor performing brake tracks that delaminate relatively quickly.
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i think chinese carbon from a reputable seller is totally safe, and great value, considering the main concern with those is poor performing brake tracks that delaminate relatively quickly.
What about wheels from eBay? I'm looking at one set now and it looks tempting but I don't know who is reputable or not
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What about wheels from eBay? I'm looking at one set now and it looks tempting but I don't know who is reputable or not
probably less trustworthy. friend of mine used one from ebay for a season or two, until it started to develop cracks. I would look for distributors like farsports, dengfu, etc. I bought stuff from them, and they were for the most part, pretty solid. some QC issues with the frames, but the wheels were nice. they've both been selling for years, and people have posted long term reviews on them, so you're able to do your due diligence there. with ebay, not so much.
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ENVE is probably the "best", since they're the only manufacturer currently producing disc specific narrow carbon rims. Everyone else uses the same rims with disc hubs.

As above, definitely go the cheap carbon route. Once disc brakes enter the peloton, disc specific wheels are going to take-off and everything on the market will be re-designed. At least with cheaper wheels you're not out $2000 when the wheels become obsolete in 2-3 years.
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I just bought these - I've really bought into the wider is better culture and didn't want to put 28c (31mm) tires on a skinny wheel. Of course, these are very expensive as mentioned above.

For the record, Zipp's new 303 disc appears to have been redesigned to have a wider profile, but still not as wide as the Enve I went for...

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I just bought these - I've really bought into the wider is better culture and didn't want to put 28c (31mm) tires on a skinny wheel. Of course, these are very expensive as mentioned above.

For the record, Zipp's new 303 disc appears to have been redesigned to have a wider profile, but still not as wide as the Enve I went for...

Green with envy over here. Yeah, those wheels looked amazing when GCN reviewed them but I think they're out of my budget for now, especially as it was pointed out that there should be a lot more competition for disc brake wheels soon.
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Old 12-18-16, 04:06 PM
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What do you guys think about AceBike China?

Disc Brake DB Series - Wheels - ROAD/CX 55mm Clincher Disc Brake Light Road Bicycle Wheels for $739.00

I'm looking to get these and from the video, it appears that they hand lace all their wheels (although that could just be marketing propaganda). They're a bit pricier than others I've found and don't label what hubs they use, but seem to be quality.
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A Disc wheel review

Here is a review of some of the better known wheel brands. I have two sets of HEDs which have worked really well for me so far.

https://intheknowcycling.com/2016/02...ad-bikes-2016/
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One thing that I just realized that could throw a monkey wrench: What if I get a high level aluminum wheelset from an established manufacturer (HED)?

I'm looking at the Ardennes Plus LT Disc and it's in my price range ($600). Problem is that the depth is around the same as my current wheels so the aerodynamics would be roughly the same as my current wheels but its weight would be an upgrade, of course.
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Originally Posted by Kahrpistols View Post
One thing that I just realized that could throw a monkey wrench: What if I get a high level aluminum wheelset from an established manufacturer (HED)?

I'm looking at the Ardennes Plus LT Disc and it's in my price range ($600). Problem is that the depth is around the same as my current wheels so the aerodynamics would be roughly the same as my current wheels but its weight would be an upgrade, of course.




You've got to ask yourself what your trying to accomplish here in the first place. Two major reasons to buy deep sectioned carbon rims: One; aerodynamics, two, weight.


Disc wheels don't accomplish either. Total weight penalty for disc brake setup is typically 1 to 2lbs. To confirm this just look at weights of comparable road bikes in disc and caliper setups. The weight savings of 'upgrading" to carbon wheels is much less than that.


As for aero, the aero penalty of the disc likely more than offsets the difference between a deep sectioned Cf rim, and a moderately aero aluminum rim.


So if you want faster and more aero on the next bike, skip the CF disc wheels.


Aluminum rims with caliper brakes will be lighter , and likely as aero, as a bike set up for disc and CF disc wheels.


And a bike set up for calipers ,with CF rims will be both lighter and more aero
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
You've got to ask yourself what your trying to accomplish here in the first place. Two major reasons to buy deep sectioned carbon rims: One; aerodynamics, two, weight.


Disc wheels don't accomplish either. Total weight penalty for disc brake setup is typically 1 to 2lbs. To confirm this just look at weights of comparable road bikes in disc and caliper setups. The weight savings of 'upgrading" to carbon wheels is much less than that.


As for aero, the aero penalty of the disc likely more than offsets the difference between a deep sectioned Cf rim, and a moderately aero aluminum rim.


So if you want faster and more aero on the next bike, skip the CF disc wheels.


Aluminum rims with caliper brakes will be lighter , and likely as aero, as a bike set up for disc and CF disc wheels.


And a bike set up for calipers ,with CF rims will be both lighter and more aero
I'm assuming the thread starter can't change his setup from disc to rim brake very easily, so any improvements he makes are going to be relative to already having a disc brake equipped bike.

Therefore, upgrading his wheelset to carbon/aero wheels would still be lighter/more aero than his current setup, even with the downsides of discs noted.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
You've got to ask yourself what your trying to accomplish here in the first place. Two major reasons to buy deep sectioned carbon rims: One; aerodynamics, two, weight.


Disc wheels don't accomplish either. Total weight penalty for disc brake setup is typically 1 to 2lbs. To confirm this just look at weights of comparable road bikes in disc and caliper setups. The weight savings of 'upgrading" to carbon wheels is much less than that.


As for aero, the aero penalty of the disc likely more than offsets the difference between a deep sectioned Cf rim, and a moderately aero aluminum rim.


So if you want faster and more aero on the next bike, skip the CF disc wheels.


Aluminum rims with caliper brakes will be lighter , and likely as aero, as a bike set up for disc and CF disc wheels.


And a bike set up for calipers ,with CF rims will be both lighter and more aero
i get the weight penalty of the calipers and rotors. however, I don't understand the aero argument. has anyone actually done wind tunnel tests to put this into perspective?
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i get the weight penalty of the calipers and rotors. however, I don't understand the aero argument. has anyone actually done wind tunnel tests to put this into perspective?

Are discs a drag? Wind tunnel testing disc brake road bikes | VeloNews.com


If you think about it , at a decent yaw angle, you've got a lot of rotor surface being hit sideways.


Admittedly, fully integrated aero bikes designed for disc are getting better aerodynamically, but its like creating a problem, and then going to extensive lengths to engineer back to the point you were at before you created the problem.
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I'm assuming the thread starter can't change his setup from disc to rim brake very easily, so any improvements he makes are going to be relative to already having a disc brake equipped bike.

Therefore, upgrading his wheelset to carbon/aero wheels would still be lighter/more aero than his current setup, even with the downsides of discs noted.


He specifically said he's considering investing in more expensive wheels so he can transfer them to the next bike.


Thus he'd be locking himself in to a disc brake setup fro the next bike.
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He specifically said he's considering investing in more expensive wheels so he can transfer them to the next bike.


Thus he'd be locking himself in to a disc brake setup fro the next bike.
MSU, Merlin:

You're both right. I both can't convert my current bike from disc brakes to rim brakes and I also would lock myself to disc brakes if I bought nice wheels with disc brakes.

I think the idea to go with cheap, no-brand Chinese carbon is the way to go because who knows what will be on the market in 2-3 years; rim brake bikes might be going out of style, meaning they'll be cheap - and I'd want to jump on that. I already have the disc brake bike for wet weather biking, so that would not be a concern for me.
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check aliexpress carefully. There are some good sellers, with good long term reviews. I'm getting along great with mine. Finding Disk wheels is a bit harder. May want to buy some hoops and lace them to your hubs.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Are discs a drag? Wind tunnel testing disc brake road bikes | VeloNews.com


If you think about it , at a decent yaw angle, you've got a lot of rotor surface being hit sideways.


Admittedly, fully integrated aero bikes designed for disc are getting better aerodynamically, but its like creating a problem, and then going to extensive lengths to engineer back to the point you were at before you created the problem.
i personally think rim brakes are the problem.
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i recommend against no name brands. you want some kind of brand, even if it's from china. the manufacturing process of carbon is super important. you want to make sure the guys building your bike has years and years of experience doing so, and has a good QC process. a good brand is, in my opinion, good insurance for that.
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I just bought these - I've really bought into the wider is better culture and didn't want to put 28c (31mm) tires on a skinny wheel. Of course, these are very expensive as mentioned above.

For the record, Zipp's new 303 disc appears to have been redesigned to have a wider profile, but still not as wide as the Enve I went for...

If you want the best...these probably rank up there pretty high.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Are discs a drag? Wind tunnel testing disc brake road bikes | VeloNews.com


If you think about it , at a decent yaw angle, you've got a lot of rotor surface being hit sideways.


Admittedly, fully integrated aero bikes designed for disc are getting better aerodynamically, but its like creating a problem, and then going to extensive lengths to engineer back to the point you were at before you created the problem.
https://cyclingtips.com/2016/08/what...sc-road-bikes/

The newer Specialized designs have basically eliminated any aero differences. Flat mount calipers are still accessible for easy maintenance, which is a win compared with many of the hidden brake solutions.
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I just ordered a new wheel set. I went Nox Skyline with DT 350 hubs (36T ratchets).
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You should consider Boyd disc brake carbon wheels. They have had a few good deals the past few weeks. I'd keep my eye on them.

2016 44mm clincher with disc brake hubs rear wheel - Boyd Cycling
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Now it looks like it's between Yishun & Dengfu.

Of those two, which would you guys recommend? My current quote is $630 with DT-Swiss 350 hubs at Yishun and $391 for Dengfu wheels with Chosen hubs.

Should I splash the extra cash and get the DT-Swiss? Between the two companies, which is more reputable? Are DT-Swiss hubs really worth $200+ more over Chosen hubs?

Thanks!
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ENVE is probably the "best", since they're the only manufacturer currently producing disc specific narrow carbon rims. Everyone else uses the same rims with disc hubs.
Completely not true. Disc specific road/cross style carbon clinchers have been in the market for many years now. I have 3-4 seasons on my own in fact. ENVE likes to think they are the first but they are actually usually the last. They make good stuff but they are seldom the first.
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