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Biking Partner ends up in accident with car

Old 05-25-05, 12:27 PM
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Biking Partner ends up in accident with car

Hi all,

My biking partner got into a serious bicycle/car accident on 5-24-2005 at 11:00 am. PST he was coming down a hill and the car was doing 30 mph while he was doing 20 mph and she passed him and got in his lane and then she got to the bottom of the hill and put her brakes on. My riding partner who did not anticipate her coming around and in front of him was looking behind him and then when he turned around he hit his brakes but it was too late. His 2005 Trek 1000 (same bike as mine) split in the center, he went through the back window of her 2005 Subaru hatchback and cut his face up. Here is the outcome, broken bike, broken jaw, broken nose, teeth missing, lacerations to the face and the doctor asked me if I was his riding partner and when i replyed yes he said that had he not been wearing sunglasses his eyes would most certainly had been gone due to all the broken glass. He was lucky to keep his vision.

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Old 05-25-05, 12:30 PM
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Wow, sorry to hear that. I hope your riding partner heals quickly so that you two can ride again. Help him out when needed.
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Old 05-25-05, 12:32 PM
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dam! I ride to work and cars do that to me all the time. not good at all. Time to seek legal adivce.
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Old 05-25-05, 12:33 PM
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Damn cars...
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Old 05-25-05, 12:35 PM
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Best wishes to him for a full recovery.
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Racingpain: I'm really sorry to hear about you buddy. I wish him the best in his recovery. This kind of thing is really scary, to me at least, because it could happen to any one of us regardless of how safe we think we are. All it takes is one bad driver or one momentary glance away and it could all be done. It makes you stop and be grateful for how lucky we are to not have had this sort of thing happen. Again, I hope your buddy can get back to health as soon as possible.
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Why did the woman put her brakes on? Was there a stop light/sign at the bottom of the hill?
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Old 05-25-05, 01:13 PM
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Yet another reminder to be always vigilant.
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Old 05-25-05, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ggg300
dam! I ride to work and cars do that to me all the time. not good at all. Time to seek legal adivce.
Unfortunatly, at least in our state, if we hit a car on a bike (our front tire hits them instead of the nose of their car hitting us), we (the cyclist) are usually liable regardless of how long that vehichle was in front of us. I think we are expected to ride at a rate of speed and control that would allow us to brake in a case such as the one described above.

The law is rarely about what is right; just what is legal.
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Old 05-25-05, 02:55 PM
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In CA, bikes are considered slow moving vehicles. If you rear end someone, you are at fault, just like a car would be.

Road bikes (mainly to the narrow tires) have a long stopping distance so it's smarter to slow down around bind corners. I learned this lesson on a mountain bike when I was 16 (fractured my wrist because I had to leave the trail to avoid hitting a bicyclist going less than 5mph while walking a dog).
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Old 05-25-05, 04:51 PM
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Yeah, it certainly sucks for him and I'm glad that things aren't more serious than they are. But, if a car gets in front of me on a downhill I pay a helluva lot of attention to it. You never know when they're going to have to hit the brakes and I don't want to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when that dog runs out in front of them. It's not worth the rush of the fast downhill to put yourself into a position where you can end up in the back of their car.

Guy I rode with a bit back in the day was time trial training when a car pulled into the shoulder in front of him and stopped for reasons not relevant or known. Guy was hammering and went into the back of the car around 25 or 30 mph. Since he was on a TT bike he was pretty much a missile firing into the rear of the car. He didn't make it. We have to watch our asses for stuff like this, and think of the worst case scenario.
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Old 05-25-05, 05:17 PM
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Did she jam on her brakes or did she gradually slow down? Also, was there a light or stop or intersection that she was trying to beat him to or something?

When we're out there, we really can't rely on drivers to be the most vigiliant people in the world so it's up to us to anticipate and respond.
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Old 05-25-05, 06:48 PM
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damn that really sucks... i'm in CA too and hell if someone pulls in front of me and causes me to rear end them.. fawk legal advise.. i'll bust a cap in his @$$ first.. cuz that's the best legal advise.

i hate stupid drivers like that.. and to think that in CA we'll be at fault cuz of some dumb@$$ pulled in front of us to cause the accident and we're still at fault? that just shows how useless politician are.. cuz they're just leeches that sucks tax payers money and not do give a crap about cyclist.

they were once thinking about charging cyclist a toll fee if you were to ride across SF golden gate... wtf!

your riding partner will be in our prayers... hope he gets well soon.
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Old 05-25-05, 07:39 PM
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Sorry about your buddy...but for what it's worth- reminiscent of Davis Phinney back in the day.

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Old 05-25-05, 08:16 PM
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In response to the original poster, I really hope your partner recovers soon. Did he just hit the rear window, or go through? I'm surprised that there weren't any fractured extremities or injured joints.

Originally Posted by kster
Road bikes (mainly to the narrow tires) have a long stopping distance...
Umm, this makes very little sense, since most road bikes aren't lacking for front-tire, straight-line traction (excluding adverse conditions). The only limits to braking that I know of are how much braking force you can apply and how hard you can pull before your back wheel lifts up. For clarity, I'm using "braking force" to mean the friction force at the pad/rim interface rather than the tire/ground interface.
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Old 05-25-05, 08:31 PM
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First off my wishes to a speedy recovery to your partner. That really sucks that we are liable..
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Originally Posted by xsdg
Umm, this makes very little sense, since most road bikes aren't lacking for front-tire, straight-line traction (excluding adverse conditions). The only limits to braking that I know of are how much braking force you can apply and how hard you can pull before your back wheel lifts up. For clarity, I'm using "braking force" to mean the friction force at the pad/rim interface rather than the tire/ground interface.
You hit on the other reason road bikes have limited stopping power, which is their high center of gravity. A road bike will lift its rear wheel and/or throw its rider before it reaches the maximum stopping power of its brakes and tires due to the high center of gravity of the rider.

On the other hand, a bicycle+rider weighs many orders of magnitude less than a car+driver, which works in favor of shorter stopping distances.
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best wishes to your friend and we all hope for a speedy recovery.
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thanks for replying everyone, I have been checking on him on a regular basis on and off he is relatively lucky. His bike was broken and his face will require plastic surgury but the doctor told me that he could have lost his eyes or worse he could have broke his neck. He was lucky. I am fortunate I was not with him, I would not have wanted to see it take place. The damage to him is really bad but it could have been a lot worse.

As far as who is in the wrong, the police officer who investigated the scene said he will not get a traffic citation. He said he believed there was serious lack of judgement on the drivers part. As far as insurance is concerned I know it is being handled and my partner should heal and be riding as soon a humanly possible.

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ps. this just shows that yes the motor vehicle drivers can be in the wrong if they are stupid behind the wheel while driving with cyclists.
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I'm sorry for your buddy.

Cars brake faster than roadbikes? I'm not sarcastic, it's a serious question. I'm about to buy my first roadbike soon.
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Yes cars brake a heck of a lot faster than road bikes and they brake dangerously. I have just been told by his mom that he is grounded from bikes for atleast a few months and that he is grounded in general too. That I should not speak to him and that he will not be able to talk for a while.

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Originally Posted by racingpain
Yes cars brake a heck of a lot faster than road bikes and they brake dangerously. I have just been told by his mom that he is grounded from bikes for atleast a few months and that he is grounded in general too. That I should not speak to him and that he will not be able to talk for a while.

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LOL at mom punishing the poor guy for an accident...
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I don't find it funny I am pissed off, i just lost my riding partner for a few months I am furious, I had nothing to do with his accident and yet I am told not to speak with him. Well his mom is being totally wrong with what she is doing. I do not care if she wants to punish her own son that is her own progetive but she has no right to punish me especially when I had no involvment in the accident. Heck I was at the hospital a hour after the took him there I saw his face mashed that is a image that will never leave my mind, especially when I ride. Do you think I wanted to see that? But yet I was there because he is MY riding partner and I care. His mom is being unreasonable.

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Okay first off let me say I hope your buddy heals fine and is back on the bike. It sound like it was pretty tramatic to everyne involved.

That said, I don't see how you can blame the driver of the car. Your friend was looking behind him when hit the car. The driver can not be expected to anticipate when someone behind them will or will not be looking. I'm not saying its your friends fault, I'm just saying I don't think its the drivers fault. It would be like if you were looking in your blindspot so you could pass a car and the car in front of you slows down and you hit it...how could you blame the car that slowed down?
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racingpain...

I'm sorry for your friend; glad to hear he's going to be okay.

From a Mom's perspective....if one of my kids got into a serious cycling accident, I'd be tempted to lock him/her in their room for a good long while...that protective mother bear instinct kicks in and isn't always reasonable.

That being said, give her time...she's watching her baby suffer (how old is your friend?) Even though he may be a full-grown person, that instinct to keep your kids alive and unharmed never goes away. She may come around after a bit...

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