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The meat slicers are at it again.

Old 02-27-17, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
This thread is why I and so many others care so little about pro cycling.
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Old 02-28-17, 10:16 AM
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Oof, even more weight. ouch.
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Old 02-28-17, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by zymphad View Post
I'm more upset Cavendish won. I keep hoping that wanker never wins again, gets frustrated, rage, and retires. Can't think of any athlete more despicable and unlikable than Cavendish.
Lance Armstrong.
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Originally Posted by gnome View Post
Lance Armstrong.
I can't think of an athlete more awesome, inspiring than Lance. To me, he is the greatest athlete of last 20 years, without any close competition. He is incredible, the best, I can never tire of watching his highlights. Froome, Usain, Phelps all wussies in comparison.
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Old 02-28-17, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Racing Dan View Post
"Let's mandate thick hip, shoulder, elbow and knee pads "

Not sure if you are sarcastic, but Imo, mandating some kind of protective clothing additional to the helmet would do a LOT more for rider safety, than banning disc brakes. Tear resistant fabrics and a few strategic pads would go a long way protecting riders from cuts and road rashes. Its illogical obsessing over discs when many other dangers go ignored. Recently I looked into buying soccer goalie shirt and pants (or similar) with pads on hip, shoulder and elbow, because I fell on an icy road and hit my femur and shoulder. Didn't get around to actually buying anything, but the idea still lingers.
Sure, riding in gear that might save you from a broken collarbone might be awkward and not really practical.
But even big abrasions might cause a rider to drop out of a race.
And while its obviously possible to keep riding while injured, I can't imagine anyone saying that losing a couple of square inches of skin made them faster.
If inline speed skaters can use tight fitting abrasion protection Powerslide Race Series Protective Gear why can't cyclists?
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Old 02-28-17, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by zymphad View Post
I can't think of an athlete more awesome, inspiring than Lance. To me, he is the greatest athlete of last 20 years, without any close competition. He is incredible, the best, I can never tire of watching his highlights. Froome, Usain, Phelps all wussies in comparison.
I'm not particularly upset by the doping as such. There seems little doubt that there were others doing similar things.
But the damage he did to other people during his denial phase, that was quite horrible and pretty much overwhelmed any appreciation I had for him as an athlete.
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Old 02-28-17, 01:58 PM
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didn't look last time I was in a bike shop - do current production bikes have rounded edge discs?
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Old 02-28-17, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dabac View Post
I'm not particularly upset by the doping as such. There seems little doubt that there were others doing similar things.
But the damage he did to other people during his denial phase, that was quite horrible and pretty much overwhelmed any appreciation I had for him as an athlete.
You're wasting your time, these people want to focus on the doping, and that's not what/why he was ultimately brought down.
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Old 02-28-17, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dbf73 View Post
didn't look last time I was in a bike shop - do current production bikes have rounded edge discs?
Don't think so. Those were made for the peloton only as of now
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Originally Posted by dbf73 View Post
didn't look last time I was in a bike shop - do current production bikes have rounded edge discs?
I don't think so. Most people who ride bikes don't want or need this.
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Old 02-28-17, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by zymphad View Post
I can't think of an athlete more awesome, inspiring than Lance. To me, he is the greatest athlete of last 20 years, without any close competition. He is incredible, the best, I can never tire of watching his highlights. Froome, Usain, Phelps all wussies in comparison.
I've always suspected this was a parody account. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Old 02-28-17, 03:32 PM
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That patent may not go, since its not original. MX bikes had disc guards long ago..
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Old 02-28-17, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer View Post
Sure, there has been real innovation. Brifters, carbon & electronic shifting. But a lot of faddish nonsense along the way. Remember this timeline:
  • In 1972 everyone had to be on a '10-speed race bike'.
  • 1984: a 'touring bike'
  • 1988: a 'mountain bike'
  • 1993: a 'full suspension mountain bike'
  • 2005: a 'fixie'
  • 2012: 'Fondo bike'
  • 2015: 'gravel endurance bikes with disk brakes'
Plus adding a cassette cog every 7 years: planned obsolescence.

Through all of this, your average casual rider would have been much better off with a simple upright hybrid (no suspension) that were ubiquitous in 1955.

Back to road bikes: weekend warriors with disposable incomes come from mountain bike backgrounds. They had disks on these bikes. Therefore they expect disks on their new road bike. Why create sales obstacles? - give them disks. It is the job of the pros to sell stuff.
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You paint with a pretty broad brush.

A fad implies something that gains popularity, then goes away. Most of what you list as fads are huge segments in the cycling industry today, so not sure how fleeting they were. I think what your timeline suggests is an evolution that makes cycling accessible to more people based on what they want out of it.

I also wouldn't necessarily classify anyone who gets most of their road miles in on the weekend a 'weekend warrior', it's just when their career and family likely allows for them to get out for most of their miles. Their personal success (i.e. disposable income) and commitment to fitness and training is the lifeblood for the industry and keeps innovation coming, bikes shops open, etc. They also raise millions upon millions for very worthy causes via charity rides. Be thankful for them. I'm done with that topic.

Anyway, it sounds like you don't like disc brakes, and only time will tell. I think they're here to stay and rim brakes may go the way of tube shifters in 10 years. I have nothing against rim brakes, it's just that the writing is on the wall and I believe the debate is already over.

Good luck!
they really should implement a sarcasm emoji on this website
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Old 02-28-17, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dabac View Post
Sure, riding in gear that might save you from a broken collarbone might be awkward and not really practical.
But even big abrasions might cause a rider to drop out of a race.
And while its obviously possible to keep riding while injured, I can't imagine anyone saying that losing a couple of square inches of skin made them faster.
If inline speed skaters can use tight fitting abrasion protection Powerslide Race Series Protective Gear why can't cyclists?
I dont know. I was just hinting at the possibility that even minimal protection would do more to ensure rider safety than banning discs. To me, the debate seem silly when riders do absolutely nothing to protect themselves, besides wearing a helmet, and almost every race has one or more crashes. Seems to me, at least some protection, from hitting the asphalt a 35 mph would do a lot more for safety than endlessly debating the pros and cons of the spinning discs of death. Or maybe its just me :-)
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"The Meat Slicers" was the name of my favorite middle school grunge cover band. I saw the thread title and came here hoping for news of a reunion show, and all I got was a bunch of gibberish about pro cycling.

What's wrong with you people?
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Old 02-28-17, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP View Post
"The Meat Slicers" was the name of my favorite middle school grunge cover band. I saw the thread title and came here hoping for news of a reunion show, and all I got was a bunch of gibberish about pro cycling.

What's wrong with you people?
"Where did you get your name?"

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Old 03-01-17, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Racing Dan View Post
I dont know. I was just hinting at the possibility that even minimal protection would do more to ensure rider safety than banning discs. To me, the debate seem silly when riders do absolutely nothing to protect themselves, besides wearing a helmet, and almost every race has one or more crashes. Seems to me, at least some protection, from hitting the asphalt a 35 mph would do a lot more for safety than endlessly debating the pros and cons of the spinning discs of death. Or maybe its just me :-)
My thoughts weren't that much about the relative risks - although it is a good point - but more about there being presumably aero abrasion protection equipment available.

And despite the risk of crashing bad enough to cancel in the big Tours can be as high as 10%, nothing is done to ease those numbers
To me it seems like a few well placed skid patches could well be worth it.
A slightly heavier speed suit vs a real risk of retiring from a race due to "extensive tissue loss". (Team doctor quote)
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Old 03-01-17, 02:27 AM
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they found a way to make discs even uglier.

Awesome
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Old 03-01-17, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
they found a way to make discs even uglier.

Awesome
You could always paint flowers on it or something.
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels View Post
So what's your theory? Dude kept a knife in his back pocket for just the right occasion?
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Originally Posted by zymphad View Post
I can't think of an athlete more awesome, inspiring than Lance. To me, he is the greatest cycling athlete of last 20 years, without any close competition.
Fixed. Let's not get all ridiculous and all.
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Originally Posted by redfooj View Post
they really should implement a sarcasm emoji on this website
It's been a while since I've been on BF, so I forget how it is. Admittedly, I also don't always pick up on these things!

When I was last active discs for road bikes didn't exist and all the purists were knocking on the dentists and WW's for rolling around on Cervelo! I guess there's always something!
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Well, disk-equipped road bikes have had another stellar (sarcasm emoji here) race performance.

I'm watching Paris-Nice last night, and I see a single road bike with disks - ridden by Kittel. He's in a large lead breakaway pack, and he's strongest sprinter. He's been sucking wheel for a long long time, so he should be fresh.

The course ramps up slightly over the last 3km, and guess who's the very first rider in the group to get shelled off of the back? Yep. He then proceeds to drop almost 1 1/2 minutes over the winner - in last 2km. How is that even possible? Check your disks for rubbing....
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