I would feel free to ignore it and wear a liner. They're no doubt worried about the helmet sliding around. The helmet shell rotates a little with the MIPS stuff, and then more on the liner, so I can imagine all sorts of misfortunes. It's not clear that it would be worse than with any inexpensive helmet, nor even whether it would help or hurt with regards to the rotational protection.

I think it would probably be better with the liner in most cases, and possibly a problem in a "perfect storm" situation. That again boils down to personal predilection and individual risk tolerance. I'm not high enough on MIPS to go out of my way to get a new helmet, but it's one quality that, in my opinion, is worth paying extra for.

"The real world benefit is very small," is quite a pivot from "they don't provide any real world benefit for the typical user." Who is arguing that the differences aren't small?

I'm so confused! There is also a post from yesterday titled "Are EXPLOSIVE helmets worth it?" in this forum, now I have to check that out, and I don't get it offhand.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

What I said at 2:22 pm 3/15. The "pivoting" is in your head.

A small benefit for a large price is very close to "no real world benefit to the typical owner".

I realize you are having trouble with this but I was talking about "small benefits for a large price for typical owners". There are three things there. If you you are arguing about one of them, then you are not really addressing what I was talking about.

:rolleyes:
No one has any idea what how large you think the differences are. The person I was replying to appears to think the differences aren't small.

I said they were small.

You just didn't read what I said and decided to argue about a minor exaggeration I made that you took out of context in a reply to someone else that you clearly have problems understanding.

Bizarre.

I haven't read all 4 pages, and I'm not going to.. But I've had 'cheap' helmets and I've had $200 helmets (I consider $200 expensive) and they're definitely worth it. I had a bad crash last year that I'm still recovering from, but the Bontrager helmet (I don't recall the model) was a $140 pricepoint.. and it saved my life. It cracked, but it took a few really, really good hits on my fall. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't get anything 'lesser'. As the helmet prices go up, there are changes in the foam composition, ventilation, the fitment, comfort, etc. Although, at some point I do agree that there are diminishing returns.
But something to consider.. as a motorcyclist, we've had this technology for years... but it's now come to bike helmets.. it's called "MIPS" and it's essentially a system that suspends the protection layer from the shell so that when there's impact, the foam and the shell are better able to absorb it and cause less to actually be felt by the rider. I've only seen this on higher end helmets, but it's definitely worth the investment. Remember, you only get one head and if you don't protect it right.. there's no 'do over'.

Like shoes, shorts, and saddles, helmets are personal. Shape, size, retention system. What works for one person won't work for another. That said, $400 for a helmet seems like a lot. I see the benefit of, say, a $100 or $150 helmet over a $20 helmet from Walmart. I don't pay full retail any more for helmets. Just too many helmet deals out there. And I have a good idea of what works, and what doesn't.

To give you an example of how helmets are personal, last year I took a chance on 3 Limar helmets from Competitive Cyclist. Got them for about $30 a piece, discounted from $100 or so. My son and I loved ours. So lightweight and easily adjustable. Barely notice it is on, and on hot days, it is one of my go to helmets. By contrast, my wife hated hers. Constantly fiddling with the straps. On one ride, she fiddled so much she worked the strap out of the buckle, and we had to stop so I could fix it. She went back to her super cheap Bell Solar the rest of the season and was much happier with it.

A $50, non-MIPs Giro Venti helmet saved my brain and skull from injury in a '15 crash. I broke my collarbone when I crashed and my helmet impacted the asphalt and was cracked. The plastic and foam on the left side was damaged. If it wasn't for that helmet... things could have been much worse. I replaced the Venti with a Giro Bishop ($50, non MIPs) for mountain and gravel and I have a Bontrager Starvos with MIPs ($80) for the road bikes.

I went from a Bontrager Solstice to a Kask Protone.
The biggest differences were bet fit, Much lighter and less noticeable.
Was it worth the price. well maybe, Its one of those things that doesn't need to be that expensive, but I like the helmet.

It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it and since we are talking about individuals you will get subjective answers based on preferences and experiences. I myself had an old Bell helmet for years and only replaced it after the shell started cracking. The most important thing is they wear one and not all do but most riders near me do.

Uh, okay. It's no skin off my nose. Why on earth are you so cranky about this?

But you argued about it anyway.

It's kind of annoying to be hassled by some one who has no idea what is going on.

You not only completely missed my point (and it wasn't obscure), you argued against what I said by saying what I said. That's impressive (not in a good way).

And you called me cranky. :rolleyes:

Nah, this is wrong.

I may have called you delusional, but I wasn't cranky about it. I knew the context, you just don't think I did cause you're all fired up about how right you are. You're still being silly and hyperbolic about the whole thing. So some people care about a few grams, so what?

You didn't get it before. So it's no surprise that you still don't get it.

No, you did do that. And you continue with the ad hominems. You must be upset.

If this isn't you being cranky, you really must be a horror when you are cranky!

You made it clear you had no idea what the context was by what you said.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

If you actually knew the context and pretended to ignore it, that would be worse.

If you want to admit to being worse that I thought you were, I won't argue!


I didn't say some people care about a few grams. I don't care. Nor was I talking about that.

Ok.

Rather than looking at the price point, which tells you nothing but the price, you should look for the obvious fit, finish and function, hnd you should look for helmet certifications. That is the only way to know if the helmet does anything meaningful, in the event of a crash. They are not all equal and assuming price equates to safety is a mistake.

Here is a primer:

Bicycle Helmet Standards

I have a pinhead. It's small and finding a helmet that fits is a struggle. My previous helmets cost about $50 on sale at Performance bike. But my last helmet I paid $100 on sale but OMG it fits so well! It doesn't move around on my head at all like the previous not-so-great-fitting helmets did. Safety is important to me and I won't hesitate to pay for a properly fitting helmet.

And I have had jerks at the LBS tell me that the helmets that were way too large were OK and the tightening system would keep them in place. I got pissed enough the second time this happened I looked down at the guy's feet and told him he should buy size 13 shoes and tie them tight and they would be fine.

PS. Childrens helmets are not really for smaller heads. I've tried many of them on :-)

Necro!

Supposedly helmets expire. And helmets are supposed to be one time use. Helmet I had slammed into back of a Taxi in the city of the worst drivers in USA 10 years running, Boston, the only city you'll find drivers proud for driving like a moron.

I ended up getting a Giro Foray MiPS. I decided MiPS may be a fad, but if there is a chance it does increase safety, worth it. For a one time use equipment that expires, I can't spend more than $130 on a helmet, just can't do it. Foray luckily cost $75. Bontrager/Specialized all fit oval heads, my round head, the helmets felt like vice. If your head is round, AVOID Specialized/Bont like the plague, head crushers. Catlike, just overall very uncomfortable. Lazer Blade MiPS, I wanted it to fit me like a glove, but my temples hurt. Giro it is. For some reason in my area, not one shop sells Bell helmets, found that peculiar.

Unsurprising, the Giro Foray fits exactly like my previous Bell. Hilariously, Giro YT vids on testing and design of their helmets mention Bell laboratory more than a few times.

Others have mentioned buying the Propero II, and I also bought one.
Bike Radar review, almost as good as Prevail at less than half the price, and a 4.5/5 rating.

Specialized Propero II helmet review - BikeRadar

Folksam Insurance company in Sweden tested a number of models in 2015.

Some MIPS helmets fared well, others didn't.

The best performing MIPS or non-MIPS were expensive models from POC.

I bought one.

Here's the PDF of the study.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...O3YiOe9asoy3QQ

Coming from motorcycling, where 1.5kg was typical for a quality full face helmet, I have to laugh a bit inside when bicyclists talk about the weight and ventilation of their helmets.

I went from a $70 Giro helmet to $300 Giro helmet. Personally, meh. My next purchase if I ever need another helmet will not be nearly as expensive. I'd rather spend on tubs, maintenance items and replacement apparel when they get worn out.

:lol:completely agree.

I WAS spoiled by Nexx Carbon helmets though :p

I bet it would. It's freakin' huge (IMHO). Makes me chuckle when I see one. Then again, I guess some people find my Giro Air Attack Shield funny looking as well. But I don't care! :D

I will see your Propero and raise you an S3: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/clearance/s3/105288

Same helmet as the S-Works from a few years ago and super inexpensive.

Same here.

I always bought the cheapest helmet I could find because I didn't care about helmets. They were just a necessary evil. After riding a couple of years I realized my helmet looked funny to other riders, so I decided to find one that wasn't quite so bulbous. Money was no object. I spent 20 minutes trying on different helmets, and ended up with a $50 Giro Foray. It's light, has good ventilation and doesn't look too odd. I also learned that I was supposed to buy one in a color that matches my bike. Who knew?