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Best Cyclist in the World?

Old 03-21-17, 07:38 PM
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Best Cyclist in the World?

By what metric do we measure the best cyclist in the world? Is it currently Peter Sagan with his world champion rainbow jersey or Chris Froome with his 3x in a row TDF victories?

I'm relatively new to observing professional cycling so I'm not 100% on what to look for. I know Sagan can't climb like Froome, but Froome can't sprint like Sagan....

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Well... Let's agree a definition of "best" first. For the record, I agree with you. I don't think there's any metric that could authoritatively determine the best cyclist.
I'd lean to Sagan 55/45. I think he can ride unsupported better than Froomie - but that too is a tough call since Froome is clear #1 on a very strong team. Sagan was behind Contador at Tinkoff so didn't get the support from his teammates for the GC that Froome does. There's an article on Steephill today I'm about to watch that might answer the question:

VN Show: Does Sagan need a stronger team? Rivera's big win (05:24 English) — velonews

VN Show: Does Sagan need a stronger team? Rivera's big win (2017/)
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Old 03-21-17, 07:59 PM
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There has not been a "best cyclist" in the world since the days of Eddy Merckx. Today's cyclists are selective on the types of races that they participate in. You have the best in different categories - stage races, classics races, grand tour races, time trial/crit races etc. In Eddy's day cyclists had to do it all to be able to make a living.
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Best cyclist in world is Lance Armstrong. Always will be, he is greatest.
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Old 03-21-17, 08:41 PM
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How exactly are you determining the "Best"?

What about Danny MacAskill?
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The best. This is a very deep well. I'll leave it to the well diggers.
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Put them in the cage and let them fight for the title.
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Best cyclist in world is Lance Armstrong. Always will be, he is greatest.
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Best cyclist in world is Lance Armstrong. Always will be, he is greatest.
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Old 03-21-17, 09:16 PM
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May as well be Armstrong, if we realize all of these guys who are at the top of the top are most likely on something. Hell, look at how quickly Sky seems to have been exposed, you think ol Froomey is making it happen on bread and water?! Took years and years to bring down LA and Postal with how obvious they were, yet it's taken just a few years for Sky to be basically exposed.

EDIT: It's Sagan, BTW.
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May as well be Armstrong, if we realize all of these guys who are at the top of the top are most likely on something. Hell, look at how quickly Sky seems to have been exposed, you think ol Froomey is making it happen on bread and water?! Took years and years to bring down LA and Postal with how obvious they were, yet it's taken just a few years for Sky to be basically exposed.

EDIT: It's Sagan, BTW.
Froome is the worst. He goes from a nobody loser, in three years wins TdF? C'mon. Armstrong was world class cyclist since he was 14 years old. He wasn't an overnight sensation. Not only that, he was a pioneer, he changed the way pros and amateurs cycle. He trained with power, and science. Every training and performance was measured and analyzed. Before Armstrong, people were pedaling slow and hard, he proved cadence was the optimal way to cycle. Before Armstrong, pros trained just riding 120+ miles a day. He had specific training for specific aspects of the TdF, he didn't leave anything for granted.

I don't care about the drugs, peds whatever else. He wasn't a cheater, a cheater is someone who has unfair advantage. He did not have unfair advantage. His first win in 1999? Who were his competitors? Cipollini... any doubts he was on substances? C'mon. Escartin? C'mon it became publicized by former teammates Escartin was massive doper. Zulle? He rode for Festina, no other evidence needed, especially since he confessed. In later years, Pantani? Ullrich? C'mon, this is a joke. Anyone doubt Wiggins? Froome? They ought to just let them do it, they will do whatever it takes to win, this is not an unfair advantage if they all do it.

Disagree if you want, but it's clear to me who is the greatest.

I am very entertained by Sagan like many others. I think he is a great ambassador to the sport and I hope his personality and achievements continue to be a positive for the sport. But is there any doubt in my mind that he is on peds? C'mon, look at those legs. How many sprinters could win Tour of California and climb those mountains like he can? He is truly an impressive specimen. I don't think any of this detracts from his talents, work ethic, and his accomplishments. Right now, I would agree, Sagan is the most overall, well rounded, best cyclist on the tour.

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Sagan because wheelies.
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Sagan because wheelies.
Sagan because a sprinter won Tour of California. Sagan because he has never lost points classification in TdF since his debut. Sagan because back to back World Championships and the first European Champion. Sagan he wins with a crappy team. He is a one man machine.
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And his wheelies are sick too.
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Originally Posted by Kahrpistols View Post
By what metric do we measure the best cyclist in the world? Is it currently Peter Sagan with his world champion rainbow jersey or Chris Froome with his 3x in a row TDF victories?

I'm relatively new to observing professional cycling so I'm not 100% on what to look for. I know Sagan can't climb like Froome, but Froome can't sprint like Sagan....

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Focusing on current riders, I think Sagan.
There is world points ranking. Sagan is on top, but the TdF winner rarely is, so don't know that matters so much.
Then there is the World Champion, and that also means a lot, but is not the prestige on the TdF.
The measure I would use for a pro is total compensation.
Their job is to make money - cycling.
That comes from winning races, being like-able and just good fortune.

So Sagan is the best choice of the current racers.
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The cyclists doing this: https://www.indianpacificwheelrace.com/ ... are pretty good.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
He's a troll. ignore him.

If you are talking professional road cyclists then E Merckx. /thread.
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sagan.... could almost do anything anytime anywhere.

froome rides in the draft until he needs to pull it out for a climb.

froome also suffers a dumb nickname - im sorry but if youre not from the uk or australia please refrain from calling him 'froomie'

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Put them in the cage and let them fight for the title.
its clear sagan would beat froome in a cage. put probably greipel would come out tops.
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
May as well be Armstrong, if we realize all of these guys who are at the top of the top are most likely on something. Hell, look at how quickly Sky seems to have been exposed, you think ol Froomey is making it happen on bread and water?! Took years and years to bring down LA and Postal with how obvious they were, yet it's taken just a few years for Sky to be basically exposed.

EDIT: It's Sagan, BTW.
Yeah wiggins and froome having asthma and the authorization of using medicine boosting their performance.. But
I think it's way cleaner today than it was in the 1990's and 2000's, in that period it was a REAL mess. Armstrong was fightings with the same weapons as others. He probably even had less in 99' than the bigger teams at the same like telekom or once

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I would say Merckx is the best cyclist ever overall.
Lance Armstrong is the best Grand Tour rider ever and his wins are deserved
Today, Sagan is the most impressive rider to me. So strong and his technique is unbelievable. I'm still under shock how what he pulled out to avoid Cancellara crashing

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Sagan hands down at least out of the current class. He makes his own magic when there is no help to be found. The kid can sprint, climb and suffer with the best of them. He may not ALWAYS win but he appears to ALWAYS give 100% plus a bit.
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Greg Lemond was whipping them worldwide in all sorts of races. He did it clean and didn't concentrate on just one race a year. To me that puts him near the top like Eddy.
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Set a world record, on the hoods, at 105 years old. Robert Marchand wins.

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It took me all night to do it, but I found the greatest cyclist of all time. You're welcome.

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Set a world record, on the hoods, at 105 years old. Robert Marchand wins.
That would make him the greatest cyclist at 105 years old but hardly the worlds greatest cyclist.
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Best cyclist in world is Lance Armstrong. Always will be, he is greatest.
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