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Old 04-04-17, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Again, not a horrible idea if that money goes into providing bike friendly infrastructure.

Automobile users help pay a portion of highway costs through gas taxes. Not unreasonable for other road users such as cyclists to pay to build and maintain roads.

It would also have the advantage of solidifying our claim as cyclists to the right to use the roads.

I know many local roads are supported by property taxes, but that's not a use fee tied to the use of the roads in the manner that gas taxes are, and not all cyclists own real property.

Only problem with a road use fee for cyclist, would be ensuring the money actually got used for bicycle infrastructure.

That's a big "if."

I would agree except for the fact that I think it is just more likely that our infrastructure in this country is just going to continue to decline in the coming decades notwithstanding certain presidential pronouncements to the contrary.
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Philly has a lively disc golf scene. This place is near my house, open to the public and free:


sedgleywoods.com | The official Sedgley Woods website.
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Originally Posted by Scarbo
That's a big "if."

I would agree except for the fact that I think it is just more likely that our infrastructure in this country is just going to continue to decline in the coming decades notwithstanding certain presidential pronouncements to the contrary.
And a big reason for that is a resistance to raising taxes. Gas taxes haven't been raised since 1993. Adjusted for inflation and average fuel economy gains, the federal gas tax should be about 3 times what it currently is.

We can't object to paying taxes, and user fees, then ***** about the lack of money spent on infrastructure.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Maintaining a disc golf course costs money. It takes a fair amount of land that's dedicated to that use, and that land has to be kept up.

I don't see a problem with making the users of a particular amenity pay to support the cost of that amenity.

People who play golf in public parks pay greens fees. No reason disc golfers shouldn't as well. Admittedly the cost of maintaining a disc golf course is much lower, but I'm betting the disc golf fees are also much lower.

My bet is most disc golfers are ok with greens fees, as long as those fees support having more disc golf courses.
For the record, my local park district has a couple very nice courses and there are no fees.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
We can't object to paying taxes, and user fees, then ***** about the lack of money spent on infrastructure.
Absolutely.
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To be clear, the state park entrance fees in New York are for driving your car into the park. That fee varies from site to site, but is said to be $10 or less. There is not a fee associated with playing disc golf.
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Speaking of discs...There is a medium sized sweet potato pie staring me in the face every time I open the frig. I am trying to be strong but it keeps saying "Eat Me!"
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Speaking of discs...There is a medium sized sweet potato pie staring me in the face every time I open the frig. I am trying to be strong but it keeps saying "Eat Me!"
There is no such thing as a medium-sized sweet potato pie. There are only too small and proper.
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You people eat too much.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
You people eat too much.
I've been told that before.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
To be clear, the state park entrance fees in New York are for driving your car into the park.
Thanks for clarifying.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
There is no such thing as a medium-sized sweet potato pie. There are only too small and proper.
Any pie in my frig is too big. I already ate the leftover cupcake last night.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Philly has a lively disc golf scene. This place is near my house, open to the public and free:


sedgleywoods.com | The official Sedgley Woods website.
There is a course in Northern Michigan that goes up the side of a former ski hill that is quite challenging;

https://www.discgolfscene.com/course...n_Area/Hole_18

Beautiful views too. The park also has mountain bike trails and ice skating in winter. All at no charge.
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Sweet potato pie is easy for me to resist.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
You people eat too much.

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Originally Posted by LAJ
You people eat too much.
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Originally Posted by topslop1
Yup. I'm picking up disc golfing. Gets you outside, walking around, throwing some discs; slightly technical.. it's the poor man's golf and I'm enjoying it. Cost to entry is right, and the courses are no entry fee. Where was this up north?.. they would've forced you to get a $400/year license to partake.
I've cycled near a bunch of courses. There's on in Andy Brown park in Coppell that's hardly ever used (if it's even still there after the construction), and a big, popular one in the middle of Carrollton. I can't remember the name of the parks or trails, but there were always lots of people playing it there.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
You people eat too much.
I'm doing my part.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Maintaining a disc golf course costs money. It takes a fair amount of land that's dedicated to that use, and that land has to be kept up.

I don't see a problem with making the users of a particular amenity pay to support the cost of that amenity.

People who play golf in public parks pay greens fees. No reason disc golfers shouldn't as well. Admittedly the cost of maintaining a disc golf course is much lower, but I'm betting the disc golf fees are also much lower.

My bet is most disc golfers are ok with greens fees, as long as those fees support having more disc golf courses.
I'm not okay with paying fees to get on a disc golf course. And I would probably not have returned to it if there were fees associated with playing on said greens. The appeal is showing up nearly anytime there's daylight, and not dealing with oversight or some kind of overseer and ruleset other than what you've agreed upon as friends to play by etc. Biggest problem wouldn't be the $$ it would be the accessibility. Now there's hours to follow and someone to collect your money that's not going to be there at all hours of the day.

They're minimally up-kept as far as I can tell. I think there's enough people involved that you could even have folks volunteer to fix the fields up.

How I enjoyed playing this I figure I would actually really like golf. But I will not golf. I'm not sure what course fees are around here but it's an equipment intensive sport and it used to be $50-$75/ per go up North. Yea, I could knock out a bag of old clubs for $25 on craigslist, but I'd still be looking at a fee every-time.
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Originally Posted by jtaylor996
I've cycled near a bunch of courses. There's on in Andy Brown park in Coppell that's hardly ever used (if it's even still there after the construction), and a big, popular one in the middle of Carrollton. I can't remember the name of the parks or trails, but there were always lots of people playing it there.
I've seen Bear Creek, and then there's one that's like 3 miles from my place that's just a super small basic park. Gotta check out the Carrollton one soon.
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Originally Posted by topslop1
I've seen Bear Creek, and then there's one that's like 3 miles from my place that's just a super small basic park. Gotta check out the Carrollton one soon.
There's one just south of my house that seems to be pretty popular. North Lakes Park in Denton. I don't like disc golf, but you could always hit me up for a beer and burger afterwards.
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Originally Posted by topslop1
I'm not okay with paying fees to get on a disc golf course. And I would probably not have returned to it if there were fees associated with playing on said greens. The appeal is showing up nearly anytime there's daylight, and not dealing with oversight or some kind of overseer and ruleset other than what you've agreed upon as friends to play by etc. Biggest problem wouldn't be the $$ it would be the accessibility. Now there's hours to follow and someone to collect your money that's not going to be there at all hours of the day.

They're minimally up-kept as far as I can tell. I think there's enough people involved that you could even have folks volunteer to fix the fields up.

How I enjoyed playing this I figure I would actually really like golf. But I will not golf. I'm not sure what course fees are around here but it's an equipment intensive sport and it used to be $50-$75/ per go up North. Yea, I could knock out a bag of old clubs for $25 on craigslist, but I'd still be looking at a fee every-time.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Speaking of discs...There is a medium sized sweet potato pie staring me in the face every time I open the frig. I am trying to be strong but it keeps saying "Eat Me!"
I had that problem last night with an apple-cranberry streusel.







I failed.
(But it was pretty good, for store-bought crust.)
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