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Rowan 05-23-17 12:58 AM


Originally Posted by Dan333SP (Post 19603051)
I did and loved it. I knew the story in detail before seeing it, but the footage of him the weekend of his death was just so intense. It's like he knew what was going to happen before he got in the car. I was in tears in the theater for that whole bit of the film.

Some people are critical of the movie making him look like a martyr when he was really a very flawed guy in some ways, but I've always been a fan and his death is one of my first memories of that sport.

I was full-time media manager and on the organising committee of an event called Targa Tasmania. The event was owned by John Large, who was my boss. John was very high up in the FIA, and in fact sat on the protest committee that dealt with Senna in one of his misdemeanours.

Senna died during the running of one of the Targas, and I had to go knock on John's hotel room door very early in the morning to let him know. Hours were spent by John on the phone to Paris that day.

I did stand within arm's length of Senna after the Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide. It was at the post-event media barbecue. IIRC, he was intent watching an F1 event on the big screen there. Just a normal guy, except for the race suit and jacket, I suppose.

Rowan 05-23-17 01:11 AM


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 19603166)
The thing is: we are all very flawed people. People make too much of this with sports "heroes". I don't care much what they do in their personal lives as long as they are not cheating in the sport or committing a crime.


You can be flawed and still be extraordinary. No biggie.

I think anyone and everyone who has made it "big" in their chosen field has to be flawed.

seedsbelize 05-23-17 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 19603401)

Victorious? I was watching that series, here and there.

seedsbelize 05-23-17 04:46 AM

Cold leftovers for breakfast. Yum.

Dan333SP 05-23-17 05:40 AM

Need a bit of healthcare advice. My health benefits from the old job expired on my last day there, so a week and a half ago. I had a high deductible plan with an HSA. My new benefits kick in on the 1st.

After my wreck on Sunday I went to urgent care for stitches and wound cleaning. I'm assuming the bill for this would be in the $200 range.

I should just pay for this out of pocket without paying for COBRA, right? My old plan had a high deductible anyway, and from what I understand cobra is very pricey. Any downsides to doing this?

datlas 05-23-17 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Dan333SP (Post 19603732)
Need a bit of healthcare advice. My health benefits from the old job expired on my last day there, so a week and a half ago. I had a high deductible plan with an HSA. My new benefits kick in on the 1st.

After my wreck on Sunday I went to urgent care for stitches and wound cleaning. I'm assuming the bill for this would be in the $200 range.

I should just pay for this out of pocket without paying for COBRA, right? My old plan had a high deductible anyway, and from what I understand cobra is very pricey. Any downsides to doing this?

Be careful. Sometimes places overcharge by a factor of 5 or 10, and then "accept" whatever insurance/medicare covers. So I would verify how much the cost is before you decide. If the charges are outrageous, you may want to reconsider.

WhyFi 05-23-17 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Scarbo (Post 19603356)
I'm back after my brief exile; it seems that my passport has been returned to me by the Prefect's office. I return with no particular sense of chastisement, mind you, or that I come slouching back with my tail between my legs.

Well that's a way to start off on the right foot. :rolleyes: So, this - how did you put it? - "incestuous conclave" has a forgiving nature, so let's just chill, yeah?

Jadesfire 05-23-17 06:00 AM

I would assume, if it were me, that even if the urgent care bill were >$200, it would still be less than having to buy into COBRA for the 8 days that are left until your new plan kicks in. Your wreck didn't sound like it included anything that would require a law suit. If it were me, I'd pay out of pocket.

Though I would be interested enough, I suppose, to find out exactly how much COBRA would cost.

WhyFi 05-23-17 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Dan333SP (Post 19603732)
Need a bit of healthcare advice. My health benefits from the old job expired on my last day there, so a week and a half ago. I had a high deductible plan with an HSA. My new benefits kick in on the 1st.

After my wreck on Sunday I went to urgent care for stitches and wound cleaning. I'm assuming the bill for this would be in the $200 range.

I should just pay for this out of pocket without paying for COBRA, right? My old plan had a high deductible anyway, and from what I understand cobra is very pricey. Any downsides to doing this?


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 19603752)
Be careful. Sometimes places overcharge by a factor of 5 or 10, and then "accept" whatever insurance/medicare covers. So I would verify how much the cost is before you decide. If the charges are outrageous, you may want to reconsider.

Should he also discuss the form of payment with them? I was under the impression that letting them know that you'll be paying out of pocket is likely to impact the bill quite favorably.

datlas 05-23-17 06:02 AM

I wonder if we should ask scarbo to go wax philosophical in that ultralight wheels thread... :innocent:

datlas 05-23-17 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 19603758)
Should he also discuss the form of payment with them? I was under the impression that letting them know that you'll be paying out of pocket is likely to impact the bill quite favorably.

Possibly. I would ask for the bill first, and if it seems the prices are inflated then negotiate.

Since it's urgent care, I suspect the charges will be reasonable. If it were a hospital emergency room, then I would be more concerned about inflated charges. It's one of many "dirty secrets" of our healthcare system, the difference between hospital "charges" and what they end up accepting as payment from insurance/medicare.

WhyFi 05-23-17 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19603456)
Mine sound like that at the beginning of a wet CX event. Usually goes away, after a couple of brake applications.

Or you could try this - Disc Brake Silencer | SwissStop

That's what I was doing to the bike I rode today.

Okay, cool - I'll just wipe the rotors, when I'm cleaning the drivetrain today, and see how they are on the ride tomorrow.

WhyFi 05-23-17 06:10 AM

Oh, and I found out that the wife is taking the rest of the week off, after today. I wonder if this means that I can make up for my lack of ride time during the last week's cold and wet weather. :D

"Hey honey - I know that you took some time off to get some things done, so how's about youse watch the baby while I go on a 5-hour ride?" Should go over well.

rpenmanparker 05-23-17 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Dan333SP (Post 19603732)
Need a bit of healthcare advice. My health benefits from the old job expired on my last day there, so a week and a half ago. I had a high deductible plan with an HSA. My new benefits kick in on the 1st.

After my wreck on Sunday I went to urgent care for stitches and wound cleaning. I'm assuming the bill for this would be in the $200 range.

I should just pay for this out of pocket without paying for COBRA, right? My old plan had a high deductible anyway, and from what I understand cobra is very pricey. Any downsides to doing this?

I would be shocked if the undiscounted bill were not close to $1,000. First you need to determine if you can get the bill discounted to the insurance rate scale. I'm sorry, but you should not have left yourself unprotected even for one second. I can't say that COBRA won't retroactively cover your injury, but I am highly doubtful.

Trsnrtr 05-23-17 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 19603248)
I finally rode a bike today. First time since February 15th. :)

Hmmm...:foo:

indyfabz 05-23-17 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 19603762)
It's one of many "dirty secrets" of our healthcare system, the difference between hospital "charges" and what they end up accepting as payment from insurance/medicare.

Who is not in on that secret? It's noted on the explanation of benefits.

Back in 2012 I crashed and had to go to an E.R. in Jersey. I didn't have my insurance card. Got a hospital bill for over $12K, which did not include the physician's bill. Turns out he didn't have a contract with my insurance carrier. Under my plan, when that happens my carrier pays me what they would have paid the doc had he been under contract. IIRC, that was about $230. The doc bill was something like $1,000, so I had to pay the difference.

Jadesfire 05-23-17 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 19603782)
I would be shocked if the undiscounted bill were not close to $1,000. First you need to determine if you can get the bill discounted to the insurance rate scale. I'm sorry, but you should not have left yourself unprotected even for one second. I can't say that COBRA won't retroactively cover your injury, but I am highly doubtful.


I'd be shocked if an urgent care bill were for more than $800 for this. And this is coming from someone who did not have healthcare benefits for several years and had a broken leg during that time. Including a visit to an orthopedic specialist, my total bill for 8 weeks of issues was less than $1800, IIRC.

indyfabz 05-23-17 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 19603782)
I can't say that COBRA won't retroactively cover your injury, but I am highly doubtful.

It will if he elects within the time provided by law.

rpenmanparker 05-23-17 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 19603800)
It will if he elects within the time provided by law.

I wondered about that. Whether he could get coverage going forward as long as he elected within the allotted period or fully retroactive.

indyfabz 05-23-17 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by rpenmanparker (Post 19603801)
I wondered about that. Whether he could get coverage going forward as long as he elected within the allotted period or fully retroactive.

They don't want people to be put on the spot regarding the decision to go with COBRAS or not so you have a time period. If you do elect it, it covers you retroactively to the end of your employment and going forward.

topslop1 05-23-17 06:41 AM

stronger everrryyy ride. faster on this one by far than even last week. something is happening...

also, fell in love with a BMC road machine I saw out there. Mmm that orange fire red color...

rjones28 05-23-17 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Dan333SP (Post 19603732)
Need a bit of healthcare advice. My health benefits from the old job expired on my last day there, so a week and a half ago. I had a high deductible plan with an HSA. My new benefits kick in on the 1st.

After my wreck on Sunday I went to urgent care for stitches and wound cleaning. I'm assuming the bill for this would be in the $200 range.

I should just pay for this out of pocket without paying for COBRA, right? My old plan had a high deductible anyway, and from what I understand cobra is very pricey. Any downsides to doing this?

Pretty sure they charge you $200 for filling out the admission form.

PepeM 05-23-17 06:56 AM

Avg. Speed this morning: 20.0 mph. :D

rjones28 05-23-17 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 19603752)
Be careful. Sometimes places overcharge by a factor of 5 or 10, and then "accept" whatever insurance/medicare covers. So I would verify how much the cost is before you decide. If the charges are outrageous, you may want to reconsider.

Only sometimes?

PepeM 05-23-17 07:01 AM

The Stelvio really is beautiful.


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