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Old 04-11-17, 04:14 PM
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What's Canyon when you have GIANT!
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Old 04-11-17, 06:58 PM
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What's Canyon when you have GIANT!
Yes but they aren't very large, now are they?
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Old 04-12-17, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
I didn't say they had a bad reputation, but that they're not something special.

How would you compare Canyon to Colnago, Merckx, Pinarello, Willier, Specialized, Cervelo, etc.?
Canyon is a major threat to LBS. Please get that out of the way before calling them "Coors" of the bike world. Coors? Really?
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Old 04-12-17, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Have you ridden in Europe much? Its not like you see new Colnagos all over the place.
I live in very rich Southern California. I rarely see Colnago C60's or Pinarello F/8-10's either.
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Old 04-12-17, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Do you have a reference for that?
It was covered in a CyclingTips podcast about supply chain a few months ago. They threw around some statistics that I now can't remember.

Googling, here's an article discussing this issue:
Opinion: Let me be direct
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Old 04-12-17, 01:44 PM
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If the price is right I'll be pretty excited. Who doesn't want more options? I love the direct to consumer model. If Giant would ship directly to my house I might have bought a TCR earlier this year.
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If the price is right I'll be pretty excited. Who doesn't want more options? I love the direct to consumer model. If Giant would ship directly to my house I might have bought a TCR earlier this year.
Is it too hard to go pick it up at the closest store? Too far?
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Trek also allows to buy direct from their website. What is so attractive about Canyon's 'model'? Is there anything apart from maybe a lower price?
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Originally Posted by Noctilux.95 View Post
Canyon is a major threat to LBS. Please get that out of the way before calling them "Coors" of the bike world. Coors? Really?

You're missing the analogy. Nothing wrong with Coors, but Americans east of the Mississippi of a certain age thought it was special because they didn't have access to it, only to find out it wasn't particularly special.


Certain people in American seem to be overly enamored with Canyon for the same effect which will likely wane once they are readily available.
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Old 04-12-17, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
You're missing the analogy. Nothing wrong with Coors, but Americans east of the Mississippi of a certain age thought it was special because they didn't have access to it, only to find out it wasn't particularly special.


Certain people in American seem to be overly enamored with Canyon for the same effect which will likely wane once they are readily available.
You mean the effect will wane once they become saturated like Specialized , Trek, Giant, and Trek?
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Originally Posted by Noctilux.95 View Post
You mean the effect will wane once they become saturated like Specialized , Trek, Giant, and Trek?
I think it is more a "the grass is always greener". Strip off the paint and remove the marketing...and would people still be is as hot for it over any other outsourced frameset? Probably not.


What people cannot get is usually what they want, specifically because they cannot have it.
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Originally Posted by Hiro11 View Post
Asia, like everyone else.
Almost, like everyone one else. A few, old and new, have chosen to remain in Europe. Cipollini, Divo, Sarto, AX Lightness, Basso, higher end Colnago's, De Rosa, Look, Legend, Cyfac...I could go on, but you get the picture.
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Old 04-12-17, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
I think it is more a "the grass is always greener". Strip off the paint and remove the marketing...and would people still be is as hot for it over any other outsourced frameset? Probably not.


What people cannot get is usually what they want, specifically because they cannot have it.
I get to see one (Canyon) 2-3 times a week as my buddy rides a 2015 all black Aeroad. My other buddy rides a Madone and plans on replacing his with an Aeroad as soon as it becomes available. Myself I'm pretty set on my road bikes but will most definitely pick up a moderate travel (140-160) full suspension Canyon Strive mountain bike by the end of the year.
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Old 04-12-17, 02:35 PM
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Frankly I do not see the appeal, the frames are made in Asia like most manufactures with the same components available on other brands hung on their frames. That said I am one who strongly believes in supporting the local LBS, so I am not anticipating or interested in Canyon coming to the US market.
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Trek also allows to buy direct from their website. What is so attractive about Canyon's 'model'? Is there anything apart from maybe a lower price?
The point in being exclusively remote-order (with 1 physical showroom) is price savings.

Trek still has their traditional overhead, distribution margins, etc.
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Old 04-12-17, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hermes1 View Post
Frankly I do not see the appeal, the frames are made in Asia like most manufactures with the same components available on other brands hung on their frames. That said I am one who strongly believes in supporting the local LBS, so I am not anticipating or interested in Canyon coming to the US market.
Even if it was handmade in the Jura mountains of switzerland I don't think it would add that much value.

People still see appeal in high end Specialized, Cannondale, etc despite manufacturing origins.

For me Canyons are pretty in shape, tastefully restrained in paint, come in good configuration (aside from the dependency on Mavic) and are competitively priced
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Originally Posted by Hermes1 View Post
Frankly I do not see the appeal, the frames are made in Asia like most manufactures with the same components available on other brands hung on their frames. That said I am one who strongly believes in supporting the local LBS, so I am not anticipating or interested in Canyon coming to the US market.
I hear you. However, those buying Canyon bikes will still need service (and accessories). So the LBS is not completely cut out of the picture.
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Is it too hard to go pick it up at the closest store? Too far?
Pretty far and in general I hate bike shops. Buying online is much more pleasant, and even without Canyon there are good options out there.
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I hear you. However, those buying Canyon bikes will still need service (and accessories). So the LBS is not completely cut out of the picture.
and afaik, selling actual bikes is really not a healthy business for shops anymore. lots of capital sunk into models that take up lots of floor space and 'date' after a season. i think it only serves to get people in the door, like 1st time customers. service is really the value proposition for them. let the internet take care of retailing.
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I find Canyon designs quite pleasing to the eye. I really like the straight lines and angles, especially the Aeroad. Straight lines aren't completely unique of course, Colnago and Cipollini for instance has used them in some particularly beautiful designs. But I feel you need to have connections in high places to acquire either of those.
I much prefer the direct to consumer model.

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For me, LBSs are middlemen. I am glad they exist for those who need the service, but I'd prefer to buy direct from the manufacturer and save the difference.

I hope that Canyon finally gets on with it, though I remain skeptical...

Originally Posted by DXchulo View Post
Pretty far and in general I hate bike shops. Buying online is much more pleasant, and even without Canyon there are good options out there.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Meh, Canyon bikes are kinda like Coors Beer.

When I was growing up, you couldn't get Coors east of the Mississippi. So it had this aura, and was highly desired. When it became distributed nationwide, we quickly learned it was nothing special.

Canyon benefits in the U.S. from the same forbidden fruit phenomena.

I think if you asked most European cyclists they'd view Canyon as not particularly special, as will U.S. cyclists after the Coors effect wears off.


Pretty much covers it.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
I think it is more a "the grass is always greener". Strip off the paint and remove the marketing...and would people still be is as hot for it over any other outsourced frameset? Probably not.


What people cannot get is usually what they want, specifically because they cannot have it.

Bingo.

In a nutshell, that's it.
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Originally Posted by gsindela View Post
I hear you. However, those buying Canyon bikes will still need service (and accessories). So the LBS is not completely cut out of the picture.


Probably true, but I have to wonder how anxious the LBS's will be to service a bike bought online. I am sure some will to gain the service business, but I will be willing to bet the customer will be put at the end of the line and maybe not offer the same level of service they do to customers who have bought from them.
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