zoom26

I have a Nashbar Cavalo Road bike, it is about 20-22lbs when I got it. When I'm ready to ride, it's about 25-30lbs. 2 bottle cages and 2 24oz water bottles, mountain bike platform pedals, a cheap target schwinn pump, saddle bag with a spare tube and levers, cadence speedometer, lights and fenders add to my weight too.

kbarch

CF drillium FTW!

rpenmanparker 

Originally you said with water and that was the 1 pound at least that I could not account for. Your ultra-light wheels can explain pretty much everything except that. Now that you say no water bottle, it makes more sense. Thanks.

redfooj

gentlemen, please stick with 1 unit system. and make that system metric

Maelochs

I think Mr. Penmanparker and I assumed that naked weight would be 11 if it weighed 12.5 with water and pedals and computer. Not looking for a fight or even a debate---I could not care if the bike weighs 11 lbs 3 oz or 11 lbs 14 oz or 12 lbs 2 oz .... the weight-weenie gene in me likes to see what parts and methods each person used to get such tiny weights, that's all.

I know it is all stuff I cannot afford ... like those zero-gravity brakes for a couple hundred and such like that. And I will not ride tubulars on regular road rides ... i get too many flats and don't even know how to fix a tubular .... and I weigh as much as a small bison so I am not going to be dropping $1200 on 1200-gram wheels.

It is called "aspirational ..." the stuff advertisers use to get you dreaming so they can sell you stuff that is less extreme ... which in my case won't make a difference in the ride but make me think my bike is better.

rpenmanparker 

I think we 'Muricans who cycle just think in terms of engineering units for whole bikes and metric units for the parts. Makes sense to me.

Sy Reene

I assume Doge's son must ride with support if he goes out on training rides without water or tools/tubes? Shouldn't we include the weight of the support car as part of the overall package?

redfooj

sometimes i read recipes from american websites and it might ask for 400g of tomatoes, 8oz of broth, and 3 pints of water..... and i'm just

Trsnrtr

True. Seems to be the norm.

We think imperial generally but grams make more sense when dealing with parts because it's a finer unit. I don't think in pounds until like the other day, I was weighing wheels and one front wheel was ~250g heavier than the other. I thought, "Wow! That's over 1/2 a pound!"

Anyway, when conversing with biking friends, most seem to be able to go back and forth without any problem.

Trsnrtr

I used to read a Dutch website and articles would break into English in the middle of a paragraph and then continue in Dutch a few sentences later. I've noticed watching races on Sporza that the commentators will do that, too, while talking. Always found that interesting.

BTW, I have to use a calculator when I see 2 Tsp or a 3 Tbsp and all I have is a measuring cup in oz. so don't feel bad.

rpenmanparker 

As I understand it, a lot of his riding is in climbing races, basically (I think from his explanation) uphill time trials. No time to drink. If you need mechanical help, you are screwed anyway.

dan911

My Giant TCR Advanced (medium size) weight 15lbs 15oz without saddlebag/pump/garmin/bottle and 16lbs 11oz with the min-pump attach, the Garmin and the saddlebag (extra tube + tires levers + multi-tool + patch kit).

chaadster

That battle was fought, and lost, in the 1970s!

Doge

I'm not arguing either. I gave a list of current bikes used in 2016/2017 by me (one bike), wife (one bike) and son (many bikes + ones nobody cares about like MTB, trail etc.) and then the as ridden weight.


Each bike could have a description. The FELT DA2 was a TT bike and would go with an empty WB as it was more aero. We converted it to a mass start bike. As it is typically used for a <.5 hour event it normally does not have water. The FELT TK2 is a fixie that was his track bike. It has a brake, brake and no WB. The others are with water. I have two cages but rarely ever use both for water. Tools in one, water in the other. For where we live and how we ride (the 3 of us) we go light, but not true WW light, just real light, and more for the kid as he is fit and does hills. I keep my wife's heavier to slow her down without her knowing it. There a morning ride my wife and I do 6:30 AM. She carries water, I normally do not, but carry tools, she doesn't. There is a fountain at the turn around point and I like to use it.

So those were the weights as ridden. They are not all ridden the same.

Doge

And if you ride without include the weight of the building where you get support?

80% he's riding without "support" on tubulars on part of the 1986 UCI professional RR course.
Typical https://www.relive.cc/view/940964225
Or the area. If he flats - and that has not happened, a fellow rider gets a car, or he rides the flat back (tubulars - you can do that).

motosonic

My bike is made of adamantium. Fully built it's 3lbs and completely indestructible.

Doge

My focus on the thread was the as ridden part. Meaning as it is usually used. So, as you posted early there was not going to be a standard.

scuzzo

ok, so im taking a geneticist view on this and say,, im going for a 35 mile ride... not a sprint down to the coffee shop... and most folks can relate to a medium distance ride of 35-50 miles range.. at ride time.. just before you got on the bike... what will it weigh? and no your buddy cannot hold your bottles or tool kit. you have no support van with some guy with a spanner to tweak your position.. and lets assume at one point in the ride you will either have a flat, or need to tighten something or loosen something.. you can carry either pump co2 or both... tube or patch kit.. and a set of hex keys... you may sweat out the bottle of water in 1hr or 2hr... but you will need to refill that bottle or botts.. or risk bonk or heat stroke.. been there. so... at ride time... no this putting them on the glass... how much will your weigh... im guessing at ride time we are all going to be riding bikes that are at least 17lbs.. now.. on a crit, or a pub crawl or a spin down the multi use trail.... you may not need water.. or you may be albe to grab a garden hose out of the neighbors lawn... but lets say on this ride... you are going through the scrubs... been there... no water avail untill the next gas.. 20mile up road... so thrust may be an issue... it can be in grams or lbs.. but me being a big dumb American... even more big and dumber now we have that guy in the white.. oh... sorry... lets just use the lbs... its very cool that this thread was not lock tight yet,,,

rpenmanparker 

Right.

rpenmanparker 

I carry my tools in my back jersey pocket. Always have. So they are there and adding to the weight but don't count in your requested total. I usually carry 26 oz of water in one bottle. Say 1.75 lb altogether. Bike with pedals, cages, computer = 13.5 lb plus 1.75 lb = 15.25 lb. To be honest I am carrying a can of Pit Stop clipped to the seat post right now. So say another quarter pound or 15.5 lb total.

Maelochs

Well, i guess I recognize three standards--the "showroom" weight (which i understand is the "weight" listed everywhere weight is officially listed,) what I would call "hanging weight" which is the weight of my bikes hung on the wall between rides (full tools, lights except main headlight, no phone/computer) and riding weight, which is a bottle or two, and a phone or computer, a headlight, and maybe a jacket.

For most comparison purposes showroom weight is the default, even though we all know it is meaningless.

For me the "weight" of my bike is how much it weighs before I set it up for the day's ride ... just as i wouldn't consider the "normal" weight of my car to include a full tank of gas and two weeks worth of luggage if I was heading out on vacation.

All of this is really relative, as in 'for loose comparisons only." My scale might be more or less accurate than someone else's ... compared to whatever international standard .... guarantee most scales will vary some.

Really, until people starts talking about 13.5-lb Workswells or 12.5 lb Masis ... all bikes are in pretty much the same range ... middleweights. A few "lightweights (UCI standard) and some heavyweights (Opafeits, hybrids with baskets, old MTBs.

And as countless threads have proven, weight is the absolute most important criterium which doesn't matter very much at all.

nycphotography

Showroom weight is not meaningless. Showroom weight is really the only meaningful weight there is because it's the only one that has a clear definition.

Everyone knows (and agrees on) exactly what is included and excluded (pedals, cages, computer, blinkies, and any silly stuff that gets hung from the saddle, top tube, or bars).

I just don't understand the angst about discussing showroom weight?

Maelochs

it's like measuring everyone;'s height excluding their heads .... everyone knows what it means but it in no way relates to any real-world, daily use figure.

There might be things more useless than a bike without pedals, but I don't own any of them,.

Doge

You are creating a narrower scenario than I thought this thread was for.
Some only put tools in jersey rather than on bike.
Some locals put water on their backs. And my kid does that too - weekly.
Some have thick padding in their shorts rather than on the seat.
Some pedals are lighter at the expense of heavier cleats

I really interpreted this as a what to people do thread lacking all the precision you would expect. There are weight weenie threads that define more specifically how the bike is to be measured. I didn't think this was that.

Creating scenarios that fit one kind of riding / rider does change the thread answers.

FeltF2Tarmac