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Abe_Froman 04-28-17 06:11 PM

Strava Power for noobs
 
So, I'm sure this is a noob question...what what's a reasonable average power output on strava for a ride of about 10 miles?

Just trying to see how far I need to go to avoid embarrassment. ..

goenrdoug 04-28-17 06:17 PM

by "reasonable" and "average" are you looking for what to expect when you're riding at a "reasonable" and "average" pace or are you planning to go all-out for 10 minutes and want to compare the number you get to others?

With Strava Premium there's an analysis feature that will give you estimated power numbers for various timeframes... Maybe take a look at those of other rider with whom you've ridden and/or feel you can keep up with?

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by goenrdoug (Post 19545723)
by "reasonable" and "average" are you looking for what to expect when you're riding at a "reasonable" and "average" pace or are you planning to go all-out for 10 minutes and want to compare the number you get to others?

With Strava Premium there's an analysis feature that will give you estimated power numbers for various timeframes... Maybe take a look at those of other rider with whom you've ridden and/or feel you can keep up with?

Well i don't ride with anyone right now. Just wondering what would be considered 'respectable' over 10 miles riding solo. Going hard but not to exhaustion.

And obviously I'm looking for gery rough ranges...like 150 250 or 1000?

goenrdoug 04-28-17 06:59 PM

How about you shoot for 200+ watts and progress from there? Personally, I've just watched the number and compared it to my perceived effort after my rides.

For instance, here's a ~33 mile ride I felt like I put in a good effort on from beginning to end: https://www.strava.com/activities/928617959/analysis

I had a 206W average, according to Strava. So, for me, that's pretty good. Now, of course, if the ride were 1/3rd as far, I could have probably gone harder..

Typically, however, folks are looking to hold a certain wattage for a given length of TIME, not distance. Given the variables involved with terrain and whatnot, it tends to be a more reliable measuring stick.

FlashBazbo 04-28-17 06:59 PM

Of course Strava "power" may or may not have any relationship to the actual power that you produce. It's a guess based on everything except the power that you produce. Sometimes, it gets within 25 or 30%, but it is often a long, long way from accurate.


That's a long way of saying that I'm not sure the answer you get is going to be a real answer, either.

goenrdoug 04-28-17 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by FlashBazbo (Post 19545805)
Of course Strava "power" may or may not have any relationship to the actual power


^ completely agree with this. However, if the Strava number is the one you always compare to your own effort level, it'll be the scale you work with. In that way it can be a valuable training metric for an individual without other resources.

Comparing your Strava power numbers to someone else's power-meter numbers, however, could be apples vs. oranges, so resist the urge to do so in all but the most general context.

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by goenrdoug (Post 19545803)
How about you shoot for 200+ watts and progress from there? Personally, I've just watched the number and compared it to my perceived effort after my rides.

For instance, here's a ~33 mile ride I felt like I put in a good effort on from beginning to end: https://www.strava.com/activities/928617959/analysis

I had a 206W average, according to Strava. So, for me, that's pretty good. Now, of course, if the ride were 1/3rd as far, I could have probably gone harder..

Typically, however, folks are looking to hold a certain wattage for a given length of TIME, not distance. Given the variables involved with terrain and whatnot, it tends to be a more reliable measuring stick.

Well the reason I asked about distance is most of my rides are 10-12 miles, be they commutes or a quick ride after work. Sunday is typically the only day I can get out longer. Already at 200...guess I'll shoot for 250 now haha.

DrIsotope 04-28-17 07:26 PM

W/kg is going to be the only informative metric. For me, a 70% effort will generally average out around 2.4W/kg. Best recent effort for an hour, 3.2W/kg.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pszbnkmdye.jpg


This is of course from a power meter, but Strava had gotten pretty darn close after logging 300+ rides pre-PM. Two to two and a half watts per kilogram is probably right in the middle of an endurance pace for many.

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by DrIsotope (Post 19545851)
W/kg is going to be the only informative metric. For me, a 70% effort will generally average out around 2.4W/kg. Best recent effort for an hour, 3.2W/kg.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pszbnkmdye.jpg


This is of course from a power meter, but Strava had gotten pretty darn close after logging 300+ rides pre-PM. Two to two and a half watts per kilogram is probably right in the middle of an endurance pace for many.

Hrmm ok thanks. I actually feel pretty good about myself haha! Looks like 2.5 watt/kg is something I'm currently holding for a hard 10+miles, 2watt/kg i think I could hold for long distance.

Seattle Forrest 04-28-17 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Abe_Froman (Post 19545732)
Well i don't ride with anyone right now. Just wondering what would be considered 'respectable' over 10 miles riding solo. Going hard but not to exhaustion.

Dial it up to 400 watts.

nycphotography 04-28-17 07:40 PM

i find strava power to be generously vanity sized, just like garmin calories.

If you want to look at power numbers, do yourself a huge favor a buy a power meter.

If you want to compare to other riders without a power meter, get the stravistix add in for chrome. it shows your rank and percentile for segments relative to the universe of other people who have done the same segment.

Of course you'll potentially be comparing with everything from pacelining teams to grandma out for a gentle spin, but that is the real world so there it is.

nycphotography 04-28-17 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by DrIsotope (Post 19545851)
W/kg is going to be the only informative metric. For me, a 70% effort will generally average out around 2.4W/kg. Best recent effort for an hour, 3.2W/kg.


FWIW, in flat Chicago, plain watts is probably more relevant than watts/kg.

Climbs more than 100' vertical, the kg comes into play.

DrIsotope 04-28-17 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by nycphotography (Post 19545900)
FWIW, in flat Chicago, plain watts is probably more relevant than watts/kg.

Climbs more than 100' vertical, the kg comes into play.

I often forget that not everyone averages 40-50ft/mi of climbing for the entire year. A very flat ride for me will only have 1,000ft of climbing in it.

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by nycphotography (Post 19545900)
FWIW, in flat Chicago, plain watts is probably more relevant than watts/kg.

Climbs more than 100' vertical, the kg comes into play.

The 8 mi out and back I do sometimes after my kid goes to sleep has 54 ft of climbing according to strava. i was kindnof shocked it was that much...

Seattle Forrest 04-28-17 07:56 PM

I've got 63 feet of vert per mile on the bike this year, and 122 feet per mile on my XC skis.

nycphotography 04-28-17 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Abe_Froman (Post 19545915)
The 8 mi out and back I do sometimes after my kid goes to sleep has 54 ft of climbing according to strava. i was kindnof shocked it was that much...

i think it's accumulating the chicago potholes.

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 19545927)
I've got 63 feet of vert per mile on the bike this year, and 122 feet per mile on my XC skis.

Lol I just looked. It was high. I went on a 34 mi ride last week with 52 ft of climbing :)

To be fair though, it's not unusual to fight 20mph+ headwinds

DrIsotope 04-28-17 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Abe_Froman (Post 19545933)
Lol I just looked. It was high. I went on a 34 mi ride last week with 52 ft of climbing :)

It's 50ft of vertical to make it the half a mile to the end of my street. :cry:

If you folks wanted to do a Strava Climbing Challenge, how would you even do it?

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by nycphotography (Post 19545931)
i think it's accumulating the chicago potholes.

Lol no. I think it was actually 2 overpasses on the bike trail.

gregf83 04-28-17 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by goenrdoug (Post 19545816)
However, if the Strava number is the one you always compare to your own effort level, it'll be the scale you work with. In that way it can be a valuable training metric for an individual without other resources.

It's next to useless as a training metric as it is heavily influenced by wind unless you're only looking at a segment on a steep hill. Otherwise, it will tell you nothing.

woodcraft 04-28-17 08:25 PM

I can't really go anywhere without a 500' climb, & a ride w/ less than 3000' is rare,

but IME it's a lot harder & more painful to get higher power #s on the flats.

going up, you have to put out; on the flats, you have to make yourself do it.

rgconner 04-28-17 08:31 PM

Strava is off by 4:1 for me, based on doing stationary power bike testing.

It does a very bad job of compensating for weight of the rider, and appears to gets more accurate as you get closer to their "ideal" weight

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by nycphotography (Post 19545888)
i find strava power to be generously vanity sized, just like garmin calories.

If you want to look at power numbers, do yourself a huge favor a buy a power meter.

If you want to compare to other riders without a power meter, get the stravistix add in for chrome. it shows your rank and percentile for segments relative to the universe of other people who have done the same segment.

Of course you'll potentially be comparing with everything from pacelining teams to grandma out for a gentle spin, but that is the real world so there it is.

I think i should probably get a real road bike before a power meter lol

Abe_Froman 04-28-17 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by woodcraft (Post 19545979)
I can't really go anywhere without a 500' climb, & a ride w/ less than 3000' is rare,

but IME it's a lot harder & more painful to get higher power #s on the flats.

going up, you have to put out; on the flats, you have to make yourself do it.

I dunno. Maybe it's just from growing up around here...but hills demoralize me. So much effort to go so slow...much nicer to see the effort translate to actual speed on the flats.

PepeM 04-28-17 08:51 PM

200-300 watts would be respectable.


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