BigPoser

I know there are a ton of sealants out there but wondering if there is something better suited for road tubeless than Stan's. I was the recipient of my first real flat since I switched to tubeless many thousands of miles ago. It was on my Schwalbe Pro One's and the Stan's was coming out like crazy but didn't officially seal it. The puncture was less than 1/8" but larger than 1/16".

A riding buddy was telling me that there are some sealants that have small particles in them to help plug a hole. I'm not sure which have these but I know that Stan's does not.

Opinions are appreciated.

Thanks.

Brandon

Seattle Forrest

Orange seal.

FrontRanger

You might want to give Orange Seal a try, as it has solid particles designed to plug larger holes.

WhyFi

I, too, had heard that Orange Seal is one of the better ones out there. I've only been using it for about 500 miles or so, but it's been in the worst puncture conditions in MN - wet and gritty spring (along with a decent amount of gravel). I don't know about punctures, but I haven't had any flats.

nycphotography

Stan's has an upgraded sealer, maybe "race sealant"? that comes only in quarts, is stupidly expansive, supposedly cant be injected through valve stems because it supposedly seals so good it clogs them, and supposedly works better than anything else out there.

I have a qt, but haven't yet pulled and cleaned my tires to start using it.

indyfabz

O.s. Ftw.

Larry77

I've recently changed from Stan's to Orange Seal. I've had really good luck with the Stan's on my road bike but couldn't get it to seal very well on my cross bike or my MTB. What I don't like about Stan's is how it gets so solid over time, my understanding of Orange Seal is it creates less build-up over time.

bikebreak

I have used stans, continental and caffelatex, all ok, caffelatex seems better

TimothyH

Orange Seal regular or the Endurance flavor?

Any of you guys have a preference?


-Tim-

Larry77

I ended up with the Endurance formulation just because it seemed to have better reviews than the regular version.

chaadster

I've tried Stan's, Joe'sEco, OrangeSeal, and Bontrager, and I prefer Bontrager. OrangeSeal evaporates too quickly in my Pro Ones and S-One's.

Lrdchaos

How often do you have to add sealant?

DrIsotope

TruckerCo Cream. Is about half the cost of Stan's, seals better/lasts longer, and comes with an injector/syringe thing that actually works.

chaadster

It primarily depends on the tire construction, specifically whether there is an air retention liner (buytl, usually) on the inside of the tire or not.

The original Schwalbe One, which was lined, you could fill on install with 2 or 3oz of sealant and it would stay liquid 5 or so months, in my experience. In fact, I never found sealant dried up and gone in that tire, and I would check them only once a year, in Spring, at the head of the season. The new Schwalbe Pro One, which uses their Microskin casing and requires sealant for airtightness, dries out the same amount of liquid in half the time, maybe less; it seems to almost soak the stuff up from initial install. I'm at the point with P1s and S1s now that I just assume the sealant is dried up in there.

Probably if I didn't have the practice of peeling off the old stuff, I could expect better air holding/slower leakdown

BigPoser

I picked up some Orange Seal and will give it a go. Don't think it's the endurance formula though. In the process of repairing the hole, I found another larger gash that hadn't quite gone through yet. It was about 1/4" wide. I need to re-tape my rim now as well though too. So once that's done then I'll mount it all back up.

I'm a little bummed that my rear Schwalbe hasn't lasted very long at all. The front is good to go, but the rear is in really bad shape. Even though I patched it up, I'm a little leary to run it. I LOVE how fast they are and how light they are though.

Wouldn't mind something just a tad heavier, but also a tad tougher.

hueyhoolihan

that "air retention liner" sounds suspiciously like a tube to me.

Jiggle

As of last year the Bontrager was the best, but you need to shake it really good to get the particles in suspension.

I use homebrew on mountain tubeless, Bontrager on road latex tubes. Works good.

gsa103

In some ways yes. A layer of butyl rubber is bonded to the inside of the tire, but its still open on the rim side. Schwalbe stopped using it because it added too much weight. Now you need to add sealant, otherwise the tire will go flat in a day or so. Without the liner the tubeless tires hold air similarly to a latex tube.

Edit:
I like Orange Seal, but it's pricey. I recently inspected my Shimano rims and they don't seem to have corrosion issues, so I'll stick with it. Orange seal particles are basically glitter flakes, I would imagine that some trucker Co with a 1lb bag of glitter would work well.

indyfabz

Chain-L is the best. Oh. Wait. This thread is about sealant. Never mind.

superpletch

I have had a rash of flats not sealing while using stans sealant both on my gravel and road bikes. it is very frustrating so I'm going to try orange seal endurance formula. I hoping it works better on tires with higher pressures. I always cary a tube to install in case the tire wont seal with the sealant, then remove and install patch when I'm back home.

I just purchased a dynaplug kit to cary with my while riding. theoretically you can install a plug in a hole that wont seal up and continue riding without taking off the rim and installing tube. haven't had a chance to try it yet, thankfully.

I have had punctures in schwalbe pro ones, schwalbe g one, maxis padrone, and sector 28's all in the last 2 months.

I've heard of installing glitter, pepper or even oatmeal!? but I think I'll stick with orange seal for now, unless someone has better advice for sealant for tires run under higher pressures than 30-40 psi mtb tire

hopefully my rash of bad luck will hold off for awhile

WhyFi

Orange Seal already has particulates in it to aid in plugging up the punctures. When dried, those particulates look suspiciously like glitter.

Since my original comment in this thread, just over a year ago, I know that I've had at least six punctures (a couple of them were bigly) that were successfully sealed by OS (regular). I've had two that were not sealed, but those were catastrophic cuts that ended the life of the tire. All of these punctures were on tires running between ~70 and ~95psi; only one incident required topping off with the pump, but it was a pretty nasty double puncture from a large construction staple (I could have ridden home on it without topping off, but I topped off and continued on the planned ride, which was another 50+ miles).

In terms of longevity, OS has dried up in my 38mm gravel tires when they went unused for 3-4 months, but I was pleasantly surprised to see the sealant look remarkably good (both in terms of viscosity and volume) in a 25mm tire more than 5 months after being injected (that was a front tire that had only seen one puncture that I am aware of).

All of this is to say that I'm still a fan of OS and don't see a need to explore elsewhere.

edited to add: I have never patched a puncture sealed by OS - they've all been permanent seals. If I felt that I had to patch, I'd look for a different sealant or go back to tubes.

vtje

Another vote for Orange. Tried Stans first, but the wheels never completely sealed off, had to add some air before every ride. Did a tubeless conversion with Orange on 5 road bikes and after a couple of weeks they all hold air really well, better than tubes.

superpletch

edited to add: I have never patched a puncture sealed by OS - they've all been permanent seals. If I felt that I had to patch, I'd look for a different sealant or go back to tubes.[/QUOTE]


i dont remove tire and patch a puncture that sealant stopped the leak. i have flatted a tire that sealant wouldn't stop the leak for which I would stop, install tube and keep riding until I return home and than I would dismount tire, clean and patch the tire. at that point I remount tire tubeless with new sealant and keep riding until the tire is worn out.