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Old 05-07-17, 01:24 PM
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All around wheel advice

Been lots of people asking on here for wheel advice, and now I'm going to add to that list.

I'm riding a set of Shimano RS81 that have some hefty miles on them and I'm considering an upgrade and I wanted to get some thoughts on what to choose.

I want to keep the cost under $1000US. So that's the budget.
I want a good all around wheel that's going to be stiff, lights, sturdy and coasts/climbs well. I may use them if I get into racing, but we'll see about that. Mainly, something fast and light that accepts a a variety of tire widths. Oh and clincher with rim brakes..

I'm a big fan of HED wheels so I'm considering some Ardennes again. Not sure which set, depends on what kind of deals i can find.

The second I'm looking at are some DT Swiss RR 21 Diecut.

Third, Reynolds attack.

I'm open to other options. I've just started looking. There are just SO many options out there, I'm hoping someone can offer some recommendations and some valid reasons why for said recommendations. I may not swap, but if I find something I like, I just may. It helps if they look sharp, too.. let's be honest. LOL.
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24/28 Hed C2 rims; White Industries T11 hubset (black), 24/28; Sapim CXray radial front, 2x NDS; Sapim Race 2xDS

There, y'done, for way less than a grand - for $1000 you can pay for new skewers (WI doesn't include), rimstrips, a cheaper truing stand, and your Park tension gauge.

If you're going to run just one set of wheels, ^ that is as close to "it" as anything.
If what is "says" counts - Hed says serious, functional, USA (made in Taiwan), w/o SCREAMING it; WI says solid, reliable, functional, USA, also without SCREAMING.
Easily maintained, tough, reliable, fast - if the wind doesn't blow where you live, then maybe choose a deeper rim.

You can spend less - Novatec hubs, Kinlin rims.

...because if you're not building up your own wheels, then what?
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Originally Posted by Spiduhman View Post
24/28 Hed C2 rims; White Industries T11 hubset (black), 24/28; Sapim CXray radial front, 2x NDS; Sapim Race 2xDS

There, y'done, for way less than a grand - for $1000 you can pay for new skewers (WI doesn't include), rimstrips, a cheaper truing stand, and your Park tension gauge.

If you're going to run just one set of wheels, ^ that is as close to "it" as anything.
If what is "says" counts - Hed says serious, functional, USA (made in Taiwan), w/o SCREAMING it; WI says solid, reliable, functional, USA, also without SCREAMING.
Easily maintained, tough, reliable, fast - if the wind doesn't blow where you live, then maybe choose a deeper rim.

You can spend less - Novatec hubs, Kinlin rims.

...because if you're not building up your own wheels, then what?
I'll be honest, I've never built a wheel, and I don't want to pay someone else to do it, so I think I'll stick to buying something pre made.
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HED Ardennes or Fulcrum Racing Quattro Carbon
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Originally Posted by zatopek View Post
HED Ardennes or Fulcrum Racing Quattro Carbon
Ooh, these Fulcrum are easy on the eyes! LOL. What's a good price to pay for those?
Thanks for the suggestion!
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I've had several nice wheelsets and i have to say that the $1,200 pair of giant slr1 have been very good for me. Tubeless and fairly light at 1430g and 30mm deep. Also dt350 hubs. Warranty from giant is also very good.
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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
Ooh, these Fulcrum are easy on the eyes! LOL. What's a good price to pay for those?
Thanks for the suggestion!
You can find them for under $1k on the UK sites. I was thinking considering them (disc version, in my case) but ended up finding some Reynolds Assaults for ~$1200, from a UK seller. You really can't go too wrong with any of the previously mentioned options, though.
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Campagnolo Eurus.
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Originally Posted by jwalther View Post
Campagnolo Eurus.
These are nice as well. Hadn't even seen these in the research I've been doing. I like that they're light but still aluminum. Which is one of the reasons I like the DT Swiss wheels. I'm not convinced I want to go with a full-carbon wheel for every day use and abuse.

Chain Reaction Cycles seems to have a great brand "PRIME" that's been getting great reviews as well. They have the RP-38 on sale for $899US which I think is great for what you're getting... and they're reviewed well..
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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
I'll be honest, I've never built a wheel, and I don't want to pay someone else to do it, so I think I'll stick to buying something pre made.
You can just email or call one of the builders, they'll ask a few questions, then they'll come up with a build list to suit you. It's just as easy as checking out a bunch of stock wheels and deciding which one to get.
For example, November's custom wheel page.

There are advantages to using a wheel builder over a stock wheel:

Standard parts. Replacement spokes, hubs, or rims are available.

Designed to your weight and usage. There are tradeoffs between light weight and sturdiness. The builders are good at picking the best compromise.

Strong hubs that are easily rebuildable.

No marketing compromises. For example, wide bladed spokes were popular for a few years, but were actually less aero than round spokes, and annoying in cross winds. And those teardrop shaped "aero" aluminum rims weren't aero, they just looked aero, with the sharp trailing edge.

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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
These are nice as well. Hadn't even seen these in the research I've been doing.
If you're not aware, Fulcrum is wholly owned by Campagnolo and essentially exists to sell wheels to Shimano users that don't want to "mix brands," so Campy may not show up as much for Shimano shoppers. You can often find very similar offerings between the two labels. I mainly mention this because Campy makes some great wheels and you can have similar confidence in Fulcrum.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
If you're not aware, Fulcrum is wholly owned by Campagnolo and essentially exists to sell wheels to Shimano users that don't want to "mix brands," so Campy may not show up as much for Shimano shoppers. You can often find very similar offerings between the two labels. I mainly mention this because Campy makes some great wheels and you can have similar confidence in Fulcrum.
I had no idea. Honestly, the whole bike wheel world is SO vast. The more I look, the more I find. You go into an LBS and they have like 1 or 2 brands and they're far more expensive than online.. one is usually like the 'house brand' like Bontrager. I'll certainly consider having someone build them for me. It's worth a look.

So far, I like all of these options. HED just released an Ardennes Plus GP, which is like an entry level version in the Ardennes line.. Still impressive stat-wise.. but no reviews available yet.
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What are you planning to do with the RS81s?
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What are you planning to do with the RS81s?
Once I find a suitable replacement, I'll probably sell them on eBay or something.
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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
Once I find a suitable replacement, I'll probably sell them on eBay or something.
If you don't absolutely need the money and if selling them would leave you without a spare wheelset, I'd consider keeping them around. Spares are handy.
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If you don't absolutely need the money and if selling them would leave you without a spare wheelset, I'd consider keeping them around. Spares are handy.
I may keep them around. If I'm able to sell my Tubular DA's then I'll definitely keep them around.
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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
Once I find a suitable replacement, I'll probably sell them on eBay or something.
Depending on the timing, I may be interested if you sell them.
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Depending on the timing, I may be interested if you sell them.
I'll keep that in mind!
I have a big ride coming up late this month.. Memorial Day into Early June and I'd like to get a new set before then, but we'll see. First, I have to decide on something and then sell my tubulars.
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Originally Posted by Spiduhman View Post
24/28 Hed C2 rims; White Industries T11 hubset (black), 24/28; Sapim CXray radial front, 2x NDS; Sapim Race 2xDS

There, y'done, for way less than a grand - for $1000 you can pay for new skewers (WI doesn't include), rimstrips, a cheaper truing stand, and your Park tension gauge.
I admit I've been drooling over that exact combo for over a year (though with red hubs/alloy nipples).

I also admit that I love the look of those sexy carbon rims like the Zipp 404 etc, but my brain keeps getting in the way saying the listed combo above is as good or even better for my needs and is less than half the cost and just as sexy in its own way.
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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
I'll be honest, I've never built a wheel, and I don't want to pay someone else to do it, so I think I'll stick to buying something pre made.
You could spec those wheels at prowheelbuilder.com, and they include the cost of building. That's what I would do.
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Originally Posted by bonz50 View Post
I admit I've been drooling over that exact combo for over a year (though with red hubs/alloy nipples).

I also admit that I love the look of those sexy carbon rims like the Zipp 404 etc, but my brain keeps getting in the way saying the listed combo above is as good or even better for my needs and is less than half the cost and just as sexy in its own way.
I priced these out as best as I could at prowheelbuilder.com (Which I guess includes building) and it was over $1000. Not much over, but, over.

FRONT WHEEL SUMMARY

Drillings
28
Rim
HED BELGIUM SERIES C2 CLINCHER ALL BLACK ALLOY FRONT RIM $130.00
700c
*No Rim Tape
Hub
WHITE INDUSTRIES T11 FRONT BLUE HUB $189.00
*QR 100mm
*No Bearing Upgrade
*No Skewer
Spokes
SAPIM CX RAY J BEND BLACK BLADED 14 X 21 X 14G OR 2.2 X 0.9MM SPOKES $3.10
Lacing Pattern
Three Cross
Nipples
SAPIM POLYAX 14MM 14 GAUGE BLUE ALLOY NIPPLE $0.34
Weight
682.536 grams
Price
$415.32
REAR WHEEL SUMMARY

Drillings
28
Rim
HED BELGIUM SERIES C2 CLINCHER ALL BLACK ALLOY REAR RIM $130.00
700c
*No Rim Tape
Hub
WHITE INDUSTRIES T11 REAR BLUE HUB $364.00
*QR 130mm
*Ti Shimano/Ti SRAM 8,9,10 or (ROAD 11spd)
*No Bearing Upgrade
*No Skewer
Spokes
SAPIM CX RAY J BEND BLACK BLADED 14 X 21 X 14G OR 2.2 X 0.9MM SPOKES $3.10
Lacing Pattern
Three Cross
Nipples
SAPIM POLYAX 14MM 14 GAUGE BLUE ALLOY NIPPLE $0.34
Weight
837.536 grams
Price
$590.32
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November build a really great wheel, and if you don't need the bling WI provides (I did) the Novatec options are well under your budget.
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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
I priced these out as best as I could at prowheelbuilder.com (Which I guess includes building) and it was over $1000. Not much over, but, over.

FRONT WHEEL SUMMARY

Drillings
28
Rim
HED BELGIUM SERIES C2 CLINCHER ALL BLACK ALLOY FRONT RIM $130.00
700c
*No Rim Tape
Hub
WHITE INDUSTRIES T11 FRONT BLUE HUB $189.00
*QR 100mm
*No Bearing Upgrade
*No Skewer
Spokes
SAPIM CX RAY J BEND BLACK BLADED 14 X 21 X 14G OR 2.2 X 0.9MM SPOKES $3.10
Lacing Pattern
Three Cross
Nipples
SAPIM POLYAX 14MM 14 GAUGE BLUE ALLOY NIPPLE $0.34
Weight
682.536 grams
Price
$415.32
REAR WHEEL SUMMARY

Drillings
28
Rim
HED BELGIUM SERIES C2 CLINCHER ALL BLACK ALLOY REAR RIM $130.00
700c
*No Rim Tape
Hub
WHITE INDUSTRIES T11 REAR BLUE HUB $364.00
*QR 130mm
*Ti Shimano/Ti SRAM 8,9,10 or (ROAD 11spd)
*No Bearing Upgrade
*No Skewer
Spokes
SAPIM CX RAY J BEND BLACK BLADED 14 X 21 X 14G OR 2.2 X 0.9MM SPOKES $3.10
Lacing Pattern
Three Cross
Nipples
SAPIM POLYAX 14MM 14 GAUGE BLUE ALLOY NIPPLE $0.34
Weight
837.536 grams
Price
$590.32
A similar build using polished silver hubs, and silver Laser spokes is under $800 (and better looking)
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
A similar build using polished silver hubs, and silver Laser spokes is under $800 (and better looking)
Understood... but chrome/silver really isn't my thing.
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I priced these out as best as I could at prowheelbuilder.com (Which I guess includes building) and it was over $1000. Not much over, but, over.
Wait until MEMORIAL DAY. I would bet they would have a discount. They usually do during holidays (between 8-12%). Having said that, I have a somewhat similar build but 24/24.

Front Hub
WHITE INDUSTRIES T11 BLUE FRONT HUB
|Drillings 24
|Axle Width QR 100mm
|*No Bearing Upgrade
|*No Skewer
Front Lacing Pattern
Lacing: Two Cross
Front Nipple
SAPIM POLYAX 14MM 14 GAUGE BLUE ALLOY NIPPLE
Front Rim
HED BELGIUM SERIES C2 CLINCHER ALLOY FRONT RIM
|Drillings 24
|Size 700c
|*No Rim Tape
Front Spoke
SAPIM CX RAY J BEND BLACK SPOKES
Wheel Build Weight
663.888
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Rear Hub
WHITE INDUSTRIES T11 BLUE REAR HUB
|Drillings 24
|Axle Width QR 130mm
|*Ti Shimano/SRAM 8,9,10 or 11spd
|*No Bearing Upgrade
|*No Skewer
Rear Lacing Pattern
Lacing: Two Cross
Rear Nipple
SAPIM POLYAX 14MM 14 GAUGE BLUE ALLOY NIPPLE
Rear Rim
HED BELGIUM SERIES C2 CLINCHER ALLOY REAR RIM
|Drillings 24
|Size 700c
|*No Rim Tape
Rear Spoke
SAPIM CX RAY J BEND BLACK SPOKES
Wheel Build Weight
818.888


BTW, HED used to carry ANODIZED BLUE TI skewers (the one I'm using here).


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