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Need purchasing advice: Look 595 vs. Masi Premiare PC2

Old 05-08-17, 08:02 AM
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Need purchasing advice: Look 595 vs. Masi Premiare PC2

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Longtime lurker, first time poster. Hoping you pick your brains this morning and get a second set of eyes on two bikes I'm considering. I recently sold my stalward Masi Vincere road bike and am ready to upgrade to a carbon fibre model. Wanted a second set of eyes to see if anything sticks out or if there are any red flags.

OPTION 1: Look 595
My friend recently bought this bike off Craigslist and is interested in selling it to me (he hasn't ridden it much.) He says the posting indicated the original MSRP was over $3k and it's no more than three years old. I am familiar with Look, but hadn't heard of the 595. After doing some research, I couldn't find any reference to the 595 model before 2011 or so. Does anyone know if this bike was in fact in production up until three years ago? Also having issues finding specs, but it looks like the factory bikes were sold with pretty high-end Shimano components. It also comes with some nice Reynolds Solitude wheels and newish tires. Looks pretty clean and lightly-used.

Here are some photos to help with the IDing.

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Asking price is $1,300.

OPTION 2: Masi Premiare PC2
I've been a longtime Masi fan and have owned three of them over the past decade, including my very first roadie. My local bike shop has what appears to be a great deal on a new 2013 Masi Premiare PC2 for just $969. Here's the link: bit.ly/2qhrcQh Includes service package and discount on components (although I already have everything I need.) The components look a bit middling and I'm not a huge fan of the Brev. M wheels (especially compared to the Reynolds wheels of the Look) but it still seems like a lot of bike for not a lot of money.

Thoughts? Slaps in the face? Thanks in advance for providing a second set of eyes!

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Hard to judge the LOOK without more info and I'm not a SRAM guy so my opinion will probably be negative on that basis alone and thus not much use to you. The Masi seems like a positively bad deal given the age, components, and price. It wouldn't have the 'Masi' name on it but you could get a Nashbar carbon fiber frameset with Shimano 105 5800 (11 speed and hidden cables) for $1100, likely less if you wait for a coupon/sale. Not that Tiagra 4600 is bad or anything, but when you can get newer/better for roughly the same price, it isn't what I'd choose.
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Get whichever one fits you best and you like riding most.

That said, the Look 595 is a pretty old frame. I don't know the details on Looks, but I do know it's been awhile since it was produced. 2011 sounds about right. And yes, the frame did cost about $3k at the time.
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Thanks to you both. I'm going to test out both.

joejack951, to clarify, you're saying that you think the Masi is a bad deal simply because of the price/value? If I heard you correctly, too old to justify the price. But beyond that, still thinking it's a decent bike price notwithstanding?
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Ever thought about expanding your search to the bigger names; Trek, Cannondale, Specialized? It would be easier to sell one of those at the back end of your ownership.
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Yes, I'm also looking at a Trek Domane Series Four that's going for about $1,500. Which is a bit out of my price range right now (getting married in a few months) but I understand that'd be a good option.
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Originally Posted by FourYearStrong
joejack951, to clarify, you're saying that you think the Masi is a bad deal simply because of the price/value? If I heard you correctly, too old to justify the price. But beyond that, still thinking it's a decent bike price notwithstanding?
Correct, I don't see nearly $1000 worth of bike there, relative to what that will buy you without the Masi name. However, if you want a Masi and that bike fits your budget, you won't be disappointed with its performance. Tiagra 4600 is much like Ultegra 6600 which many tout as one of the best shifting Shimano groups ever (and I'd agree), with the only drawback being the exposed shifter cable routing (but which does have the benefit of being easily serviceable and not requiring anything special as far as shift cables goes).

You can always upgrade down the road to an 11 speed group, too, for not a whole lot of money if you decide you want something more modern. It would make for a good excuse for a wheel upgrade, too, as the Masi nearly certainly will come with an 8/9/10 speed freehub which will not accept an 11 speed cassette (without some modification at least).
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I would go for the Look. Very nice bikes. You would need to check that you can get the right seat height though due to the limited adjustability with the integrated seat mast.
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Originally Posted by Dean V
I would go for the Look. Very nice bikes. You would need to check that you can get the right seat height though due to the limited adjustability with the integrated seat mast.
It's 'features' like an integrated seat mast that would make me steer clear of the LOOK. I was quite happy with my older KG386i but it has none of the weird proprietary stuff that seems to be the cause of many issues on modern LOOKs. My frame did have a 25mm seat post but you can find replacements for those if you look hard enough (and I own two just in case).
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After doing additional research, I think I'm leaning toward the Masi. For me, peace of mind is priceless, and the thought of purchasing a 8-year-old bike with an untold number of miles on the frame and components is a little concerning. Also, as y'all are pointing out, the sizing isn't guaranteed to be a match.

The bike shop that's selling the Masi offers a warranty (even if it's an old bike) as well as 5 years of free tuneups, discounts on merchandise, and a full free fitting. These bring a lot of value. The Masi isn't light by any means, but I'd look at upgrading the wheels and figuring out how to make it lighter.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
It's 'features' like an integrated seat mast that would make me steer clear of the LOOK. I was quite happy with my older KG386i but it has none of the weird proprietary stuff that seems to be the cause of many issues on modern LOOKs. My frame did have a 25mm seat post but you can find replacements for those if you look hard enough (and I own two just in case).
I think the seat mast is the only unusual bit on a 595 and as long as it hasn't been cut too short it won't be an issue.
The Look is is much higher end frame than the Masi.

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Originally Posted by Dean V
I think the seat mast is the only unusual bit on a 595 and as long as it hasn't been cut too short it won't be an issue.
The Look is is much higher end frame than the Masi.
I have been riding a 2007 595 for the past 8 years. I have no qualms about continuing to ride it. Look is one of a very few companies that produce frames in their own factory, in Tunisia. The Look integrated Epost is unique in that it provides up to 3 cm of upward adjustment and as a bonus it also has an elastomer system which if properly set up provide quite a bit of shock absorption, important in what is basically a fairly stiff race bike. Looks were imported to North America as bare frames, then built up either by the distributors or by the shops that sold them. The one I have is probably the best handling road bike I have ever owned, at any speed. In addition, I am currently running it with 25mm tires and there is sufficient additional space that I could probably use 28mm tires.
Looking at the Masi, it is a mass produced generic carbon frame with entry level components. It may be a good deal,but it isn't in the same league as a Look 595

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Thanks everyone. Clearly what I've heard resoundingly clear is that the Look is the better bike.

I totally agree, but I guess what I'm concerned about is buying a 9-year-old bike that looks clean but could have an untold number of miles on the frame and components, whereas the Masi is new and covered under warranty for two years. Am I being overly cautious?
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Originally Posted by FourYearStrong

I totally agree, but I guess what I'm concerned about is buying a 9-year-old bike that looks clean but could have an untold number of miles on the frame and components, whereas the Masi is new and covered under warranty for two years. Am I being overly cautious?
While it is possible that the frame is as much as 9 years old, it could well have been built up only 3 years ago. Incidentally, that $3000 figure you heard would have been for a bare frame, not a complete bike. That one looks as if it is built with SRAM Red, which would put the complete build when it was new close to $6000
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Well, friends — I took a leap of faith and picked up the Look. My friend is actually going to let me take it for a mechanical inspection and a fitting before I put money down on it, so there's no risk of me getting stuck with something that's broken or doesn't fit right.

Needs new tires (the slicks it has on now are bald) but took it for a quick spin and everything else seems to be in perfect mechanical order — like riding on air. More soon!
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By definition, slicks are bald. The way to tell if they are badly worn is to look for a flattened profile of the center of the tread, particularly the rear tire
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Yes, of course — sorry, that's what I meant. The rear tire is visibly worn. I'll likely throw some new ones on.

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Originally Posted by FourYearStrong
Yes, of course — sorry, that's what I meant. The rear tire is visibly worn. I'll likely throw some new ones on.

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Actually not a bad idea when you are dealing with tires of unknown age
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Looks like a good bike.
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