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Nashbar

I'm in the market to upgrade my trek 1.1 to a full carbon 105 or ultegra. Has anyone had any experience dealing with Nashbar? Are they good Bikes, cheap, a good deal or should I look elsewhere?
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I don't think the Nashbar house carbon came in Ultegra and ive read elsewhere they are out of the 105 bikes till next shipment from China.

Nice frames from what I've read, but they have good deals on other manufacturers, you just have to watch the website
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I have their standalone Carbon frameset I built up with Ultegra. No problems with nashbar; love 'em, great company, been shopping with them for years, and customer service was helpful when I had questions during initial build. The other thing is they have a solid customer service reputation and lifetime satisfaction guarantee should problems arise.

Downsides?-although its a light(enough)stiff and fast bike, made with C10 UHm carbon same as Fuji uses in higher end models, made in Taiwan; this frame is a bit overbuilt in places and the dated wishbone seat stays, makes for a bit of harsh ride and a heavier, less refined design then higher end frames. Fun to ride for sure, just knocks me around over bumps a bit more than other bikes I've owned.
Also completely superficial here I realize, but showing up to the group ride with the generic no brand/pedigree bike, kinda bothers me sometimes-ymmv.



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I'm in the market to upgrade my trek 1.1 to a full carbon 105 or ultegra. Has anyone had any experience dealing with Nashbar? Are they good Bikes, cheap, a good deal or should I look elsewhere?

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I have had 2 different Nashbar bikes. A CR-2 and a CR-5 both with Ultegra. The first carbon bike I received the CR-2 had seat stays which weren't glued straight. I sent it back and they replaced it with 0 questions asked. The CR-2 they sent back I probably put 20,000 miles on it and finally a cracked formed around the BB. I talked to them in hopes they would cut me a deal on a house frame and I would just switch the parts over. They would not do that. They were insistent they send me a new bike. I explained the situation and how many miles I had ridden the bike. Spoke to the manager and even she said to send the bike back and they would send me another bike.

They no longer carried the CR-2 so they credited me the amount I had paid for the CR-2 towards a new CR-5. I was shocked. I would of been plenty happy with them just giving me a solid discount on a house frame.

I can't compare the CR-5 with some of the other name brand bikes since I have never owned any on these $3,000-$4,000 bikes. But, I can say I am extremely pleased with the bike and would recommend it. Now if you are one of those folks who are into fitting into a crowd or big on name brands this may not be the best choice for you. I have noticed on a few of the group rides around here some of the folks kind of turn up their nose at a non name brand bike.
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I own a Nashbar Carbon CX frame that I bought used. I don't have any complaints about it. It is just an unbranded older model Fuji Altamira CX.

Nashbar was bought by Perfomance Bicycle which was in turn bought by ASI which owns Fuji and some other brands. I don't know if all of Nasbar's frames are just older versions of other ASI brand's frames but some are.
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Not carbon but I just bought the Cavalo Ultegra road bike, haven't put many miles on it yet but it's light and fast. I was actually going to buy the carbon 105 but they were out of my size, I called to see when they would restock and they said they wouldn't be, said that bike is getting a new frame but should be comparable. They didn't say what else would be changing or if the price would go up. If you want one and it's in your size better get it now. They said the new bike should be released at the end of this month.
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Originally Posted by hazben1
I have had 2 different Nashbar bikes. A CR-2 and a CR-5 both with Ultegra. The first carbon bike I received the CR-2 had seat stays which weren't glued straight. I sent it back and they replaced it with 0 questions asked. The CR-2 they sent back I probably put 20,000 miles on it and finally a cracked formed around the BB. I talked to them in hopes they would cut me a deal on a house frame and I would just switch the parts over. They would not do that. They were insistent they send me a new bike. I explained the situation and how many miles I had ridden the bike. Spoke to the manager and even she said to send the bike back and they would send me another bike.

They no longer carried the CR-2 so they credited me the amount I had paid for the CR-2 towards a new CR-5. I was shocked. I would of been plenty happy with them just giving me a solid discount on a house frame.

I can't compare the CR-5 with some of the other name brand bikes since I have never owned any on these $3,000-$4,000 bikes. But, I can say I am extremely pleased with the bike and would recommend it. Now if you are one of those folks who are into fitting into a crowd or big on name brands this may not be the best choice for you. I have noticed on a few of the group rides around here some of the folks kind of turn up their nose at a non name brand bike.

I am IN NO WAY worried about how people feel about the "brand" of bike I ride. I currently ride a trek 1.1 and ride with guys that have $2000-$3000 bikes and in several cases I'm faster than they are.

I'm 100% focused on the bike itself. I don't want to buy one just because it's a good bargain and receive to realize it's cheap. I'm trying to get feedback from people who have used Nashbar before to see how they feel about the quality vs the value and their overall experience. Based on what I'm reading, seems that I too will enjoy my experience.

Why do Nashbar Bikes cost so much less than big brands? Is it advertising spent by big brand stores that drive the cost up or brick and mortar vs internet dealing. These are the answers I'm looking for. Any input is greatly appreciated.
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Because the big brands design, test, and market their own stuff while Nashbar buys generic Asian frames and resells them.
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You could upgrade the groupset of your current bike and end up with a pretty good bike. What don't you like about it that you think will improve with another bike?
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I've used Nashbar for various products for years. I have no direct insight into their business, but it seems like their secret weapon is a department of energetic buyers who are good at making deals. New old stock purchased in bulk and rebranded, or all of a frameset that somehow never made it to market.

I think they may also, sometimes, have an arrangement to move old product from direct sources, like Vuelta. When I purchased some wheels - pretty much half price - and had a support question about spokes, Nashbar directed me to Vuelta. Which was fine with me since Vuelta had no problem with that bit of support and selling me some spare spokes, but it left the impression of a drop-ship or consignment type of arrangement. So I think that there are several ways that Nashbar manages the lower prices, and they don't necessarily speak to lesser quality of product.
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Originally Posted by PepeM
You could upgrade the groupset of your current bike and end up with a pretty good bike. What don't you like about it that you think will improve with another bike?
I've kicked around this idea to multiple people and forums and have been given the same answer almost unanimously. It's not worth the money to upgrade just the groupset. I'd be better off upgrading the entire bike. By doing so I would end up with a better groupset, wheels, frame etc. I tend to agree but could be wrong.
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I have a Nashbar CR5 Ultegra, except for FSA brakes, that I bought last year. The carbon bike is my daily ride while my 2003 Trek 2300 Ultegra is now my rain and trainer bike. The ride on the CR5 is vastly smoother than my alu 2300. However, I can't compare the CR5 to a $3000+ ride since I don't ride one.

I changed the stem, reinstalled the front der, and made other minor adjustments. The matte black requires a little Windex after most rides but it has held up well so far.

On sale, I paid a smidge over $1400. The downside was researching the Nashbar frame specs to match what fit me. Granted, I could have returned the CR5 for different size at my cost if necessary.

All in all, I'm very pleased with the CR5.
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Originally Posted by PepeM
Because the big brands design, test, and market their own stuff
If the Nashbar frame works well, why is this something worth paying for?
while Nashbar buys generic Asian frames and resells them.
As Nashbar and PB are owned by ASI, it's likely that Nashbar is selling unbranded frames from the same Taiwanese manufacturing subcontractors that make frames for Fuji, Breezer and other ASI brands (possibly Ideal Bike). This is a bit different from the Chinese eBay specials you imply.
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Originally Posted by Hiro11
If the Nashbar frame works well, why is this something worth paying for? As Nashbar and PB are owned by ASI, it's likely that Nashbar is selling unbranded frames from the same Taiwanese manufacturing subcontractors that make frames for Fuji, Breezer and other ASI brands (possibly Ideal Bike). This is a bit different from the Chinese eBay specials you imply.
This was actually my thoughts but wanted confirmation.
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Originally Posted by RichardR1015
I've kicked around this idea to multiple people and forums and have been given the same answer almost unanimously. It's not worth the money to upgrade just the groupset. I'd be better off upgrading the entire bike. By doing so I would end up with a better groupset, wheels, frame etc. I tend to agree but could be wrong.
Wheels on those bikes are usually pretty low level too, no? Don't know, I haven't looked. The frame will be of a different material. Better? Not sure, but probably. Depends what you would consider better. 1k worth of groupset + wheels can get you some pretty nice stuff. A 105 groupset plus some lightweight wheels would definitely transform your bike. Sorry if it seems that I am just being contrarian, just trying to point out other choices.

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If the Nashbar frame works well, why is this something worth paying for?
Up to the individual to decide.

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As Nashbar and PB are owned by ASI, it's likely that Nashbar is selling unbranded frames from the same Taiwanese manufacturing subcontractors that make frames for Fuji, Breezer and other ASI brands (possibly Ideal Bike). This is a bit different from the Chinese eBay specials you imply.
Not implying anything, merely stating that Nashbar is not a 'bike brand' but a reseller. Nothing wrong with that, of course. It could be, as you say, that they are just rebadged Fujis, or Breezers, or whatever. Which is kind of the point I am making, you are not really sure what you are getting. They are just buying a generic Asian frame (the fact that more than one company would use the same frame makes it generic. Again, nothing necesarily wrong with it) and reselling it.
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Which is kind of the point I am making, you are not really sure what you are getting.
Well, sort of. You know you are getting a frame on par with if not identical to the other mid-range and house brand frames. You don't know exactly which of thsoe frames it will be ... but it isn't like every house brand has its own specs.

So ... either you by a second-tier frame, or pay the big bucks to get a frame which is pretty much the same (and possibly exactly the same) as the Nashbar.

In most cases the Nashbar frames might be a year or two behind the best frames from the biggest manufacturers. But that probably puts them on par with the entry-level or second-tier frames from those same big brands.

What you can be assured of is a decent frame. It won't be the latest. It won't use the cutting-edge construction techniques, it won't have the ultra-high-tech layup recipe as the most expensive big-brand bikes. It will weigh a fw hundred grams more.

It will likely be as good as the best frames from five years ago and as good as the second-tier frames from two years ago.

You will know the precise dimensions. You will know the weight. You will know the quality level. And you will know you can send it back if you like.

If I am buying a brand new Ultegra bike for $1300, I ma not concerned if it is identical to a 2016 Fuji or a 2016 Cavalo. I am concerned with how soon it gets here so I can start riding.

Also, as people have noted above ... I can thrash the thing for five years and get it replaced if it breaks.
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I agree with all of that. Btw, note all the 'mights' and 'likelies' and 'possiblies' you used there.

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If I am buying a brand new Ultegra bike for $1300, I ma not concerned if it is identical to a 2016 Fuji or a 2016 Cavalo. I am concerned with how soon it gets here so I can start riding.
Exactly. If you just want a bike then those are perfectly fine. If you are looking for something specific, well, you will have to buy something specific.
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I have never liked the name "Nashbar." Sounds like something to be eaten.
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I've been riding a Nashbar CR4 for a couple of years now. Over 6,000 miles and it's a fantastic bike. Nashbar support was helpful when I ran into some problems after shipping (needed a new derailleur hanger). For the money I'd say it was an incredible value. Maybe sometimes I get a little envious of other bikes with cool paint jobs. Nah, not really.
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I agree with all of that. Btw, note all the 'mights' and 'likelies' and 'possiblies' you used there.
I am cursed with honesty.

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Exactly. If you just want a bike then those are perfectly fine. If you are looking for something specific, well, you will have to buy something specific.
Scary that we agree so completely ... twice.

Either buy lottery tickets or seek shelter from the approaching meteor ... Something cosmic must be happening.
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I am cursed with honesty.

Scary that we agree so completely ... twice.

Either buy lottery tickets or seek shelter from the approaching meteor ... Something cosmic must be happening.


Originally Posted by indyfabz
I have never liked the name "Nashbar." Sounds like something to be eaten.
I don't like the name Nashbar either, but at least it is not plastered all over the bike (I think.) Cavalo is not a great name either. Both are better than Ribble and Planet X though.
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Cavalo is not a great name either.

Ikr. Another name I don't like is Planet Bike, but I have to admit that I have two lights of theirs.
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I have never liked the name "Nashbar." Sounds like something to be eaten.
It's the founder's name. His daughter was on a reality TV show a while back called "spoiled brats" or something like that. She was basically the usual bratty daughter of a rich guy who thought she was going to be a model or a actress or something.
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Owned now by ASI which bought Performance and Nashbar which were one company at that time and at least since 2010 have been one company. I have not seen any difference in the business model so far.

I have purchased many items over the years from Nashbar. (I used to receive the catalog by mail before the internet took over) I feel the customer service has been good and pricing great. They have some anomalies such as percentage off coupon does not work on all items mostly from companies like Shimano and others. Overall have been happy with them and will continue to buy from them. return policy is very good as well

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today is a good day to buy from Nashbar. 30% off one item
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